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Old 01-14-2011, 07:02 PM   #71 (permalink)
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After drinking a lot tonight i have only this to say:

Why cant everyone just be happy to watch all these fight in the SF tournament?!?!

For once we should just be greatful these fights are happening!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who the fff cares if the tournament is for a belt???? Who the fff cares if it's 3 rounds or 5 rounds ??? Who the fff cares if it's 3 judges or 1000 judges judging the fights?!?

Daaaaaamn, it's like i won't be able to sleep knowing Werdum or Barnett have won the tournament and Overeem is still the champ!!!! Honestly i don't care! This tournament is a huge opportunity to see some of the best HW in the world fighting against each other.

Let's just enjoy these awesome fights that are gonna happen.

If all the HW fight and at the end of the year Gina Carano is the new SF HW Champion - THE BETTER!!!

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Old 01-14-2011, 07:11 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Before the tournament, i'm pretty sure Overeem said he'd be ready in March to fight Fedor for the belt. But the date didn't fit Fedor's schedule - is that accurate?

Werdum was after a rematch with Fedor, not a title fight against Reem.

Both could have fought Overeem in a 5 round match if they wanted to, before the announcement of the bracket tournament. Though i'm sure the winner of the tournament gets atleast a cool trophy.

In the instance of Overeem (the heavy favorite anyway) not winning the tournament, I'm sure the winner would become the #1 contender afterwards.
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After drinking a lot tonight i have only this to say:

Why cant everyone just be happy to watch all these fight in the SF tournament?!?!

For once we should just be greatful these fights are happening!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who the fff cares if the tournament is for a belt???? Who the fff cares if it's 3 rounds or 5 rounds ??? Who the fff cares if it's 3 judges or 1000 judges judging the fights?!?

Daaaaaamn, it's like i won't be able to sleep knowing Werdum or Barnett have won the tournament and Overeem is still the champ!!!! Honestly i don't care! This tournament is a huge opportunity to see some of the best HW in the world fighting against each other.

Let's just enjoy these awesome fights that are gonna happen.
QFT!

Also, what Mr. O said - the winner (if it isn't Reem) will likely be #1 contender afterwards anyway.

No matter what, people will find something to whine about. Just relax, grab some brews, and enjoy these awesome fights.
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:40 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Killer the cross promotion and testing the "circuit" argument is getting really old. The UFC is never going to co-promote and Strikeforce will eventually fold no matter how much you hope against it.

The Reem is an awesome fighter and could definitely be the Number one in the world. Without testing himself against the UFC's top fighters though it's all speculation. We need all the top guys under one banner to really see who's the best.

You should be rooting for the UFC to get all the top guys instead of the other way around anyway. This isn't even a GP like they keep saying. It's the same thing the UFC has done the past 18 months or so without labeling it a tournament.

I can't wait for the fights either but for Strikeforce to act like this is a reincarnation of the 2000GP is ridiculous
The UFC has enough on keeping the the WW and LW divisions going strong now with the introduction of the FW and BW divisions they have an even wider split of focus away from other division, and I would like to see the MW division continue to grow there also.

Having said that the UFC has had its chance to run all the division and maintain top scope in all and the result was the main focus been aimed at the lower weights and as a result the heaver weights HW especially suffered though lack of interest in both allocated air time and lack of scouting and keeping top new talent. And if you ask me the LHW division there is on a huge decline and suffering under the management of the UFC.

So maybe its time Srikeforce had there chance of hosting the top divisions in those to weights since thats where they like to hive most of there focus.

imo in the perfect MMA world Striekforce would unite the best HW's and LHW's in the world and give us the dream fights we want to see in those divisions and leave the UFC to handle the top divisions for all other weight classes.

in fact in the perfect world WEC would still be going to handle the FW and BW divisions leaving just the LW, WW and MW to the UFC.

The truth is the UFC has done a piss poor job in running the HW division imo and its time for the top fighters to give SF a chance to run the top HW division in the world taking up most of its focus.

Should SF become a specialist HE and LHW promotion like the WEC was specialist towards the BM and FW's then the divisions will be much better off in there hands, and thats where it seems to be heading.

I am not saying both promotions should not host fights in other weights but they should be just card fillers while the main focus in terms of both air time and scouting and recruiting new talent should be aimed more at there specialist divisions.
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So maybe its time Srikeforce had there chance of hosting the top divisions in those to weights since thats where they like to hive most of there focus.

imo in the perfect MMA world Striekforce would unite the best HW's and LHW's in the world and give us the dream fights we want to see in those divisions and leave the UFC to handle the top divisions for all other weight classes.
What dream fights at LHW?!

Babalu - Rampage?!
Randleman - Shogun?!
Mo - Rashad?!

Honestly!!!!
the only division SF can hold its own against the UFC is the HW division. Because they have big names, talented, experienced fighters fighting for them.

The SF LHW div is weak. Feijao is the best imo and he woul definitely be a TOP 1 guy in the UFC. Mousassi was a big dissapointment for me, against Mo.
Henderson is past his prime, got beat up by a guy who is fighting at WW now. Kyle has some power, but other than that he has nothing. Roger Gracie has amazing BJJ, but he doesn't have enough experience to hold his own against the best UFC LHWs. Babalu is a CAN! Not even a can!

The MW division: Jacare is great. Other than that there are Miller, Kennedy, wich i consider good fighters and i think they would do well in the UFC. I'm not buying Lawler's hype yet. Beating Lindland means nothing these days.

WW division: Diaz, Noons and Daley, who did nothing against the guy who did less than nothing against the UFC champ.

LW division: Melendez is great imo. He could be a contender in the UFC. Other than that: Thomson is decent. And Cavalcante.

The rest: cans! (if i forgot some fighters, excuse me. i am tired and had some extra beers)

The SF is doing an excellent job atm promoting its biggest and most important asset: the HW division.
They should keep focusing on this until they can sign some big names in the other divisions.
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Old 01-14-2011, 08:04 PM   #76 (permalink)
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What dream fights at LHW?!

Babalu - Rampage?!
Randleman - Shogun?!
Mo - Rashad?!

Honestly!!!!
the only division SF can hold its own against the UFC is the HW division. Because they have big names, talented, experienced fighters fighting for them.

The SF LHW div is weak. Feijao is the best imo and he woul definitely be a TOP 1 guy in the UFC. Mousassi was a big dissapointment for me, against Mo.
Henderson is past his prime, got beat up by a guy who is fighting at WW now. Kyle has some power, but other than that he has nothing. Roger Gracie has amazing BJJ, but he doesn't have enough experience to hold his own against the best UFC LHWs. Babalu is a CAN! Not even a can!

The MW division: Jacare is great. Other than that there are Miller, Kennedy, wich i consider good fighters and i think they would do well in the UFC. I'm not buying Lawler's hype yet. Beating Lindland means nothing these days.

WW division: Diaz, Noons and Daley, who did nothing against the guy who did less than nothing against the UFC champ.

LW division: Melendez is great imo. He could be a contender in the UFC. Other than that: Thomson is decent. And Cavalcante.

The rest: cans! (if i forgot some fighters, excuse me. i am tired and had some extra beers)

The SF is doing an excellent job atm promoting its biggest and most important asset: the HW division.
They should keep focusing on this until they can sign some big names in the other divisions.
Agree with all of this. HW is the only division that is excellent in SF. Their LHW division isn't good at all.
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Old 01-14-2011, 08:26 PM   #77 (permalink)
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The SF LHW div is weak. Feijao is the best imo and he woul definitely be a TOP 1 guy in the UFC. Mousassi was a big dissapointment for me, against Mo.
Mousasi did the the same thing that the best pound for pound fighter in the world did w/out the last second submission. Against a better wreslter who has never come under question for PEDs.

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Henderson is past his prime, got beat up by a guy who is fighting at WW now.
Henderson has won 4 out of his last 5 those wins are over

Rich Franklin
Babalu
Rousiamar Palhares
and Michael Bisbing

That doesn't sound like a fighter that is over the hill.. he lost to Jake Shields who is world ranked in 2 different weight classes.. Yushin Okami also lost to Jake... so what does that mean?

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Kyle has some power, but other than that he has nothing.
Kyle has crazy power. And he's training at AKA with Cain Velasquez and Josh Koscheck.. he kept top position over a huge HW Bigfoot in his last fight for the entire round..

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Roger Gracie has amazing BJJ, but he doesn't have enough experience to hold his own against the best UFC LHWs.
I'm not gonna do the UFC VS Strikeforce argument with you. For alot of members just having those letters across your gloves ups your skill set 90%

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Babalu is a CAN! Not even a can!
Babalu is not a can.. He's lost twice since 2007 to 2 of the top 5 LHWS in Strikeforce in Gegard Mousasi and Dan Henderson.

As far as LHW is concerned...
Feijao
Hendo
Mousasi
King Mo
Kyle
Ovince St. Preux
Babalu
and Roger Gracie

Comet to mind right away... thats not bad for an organizaiton that has only recently taken world stage when you think about it...

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WW division: Diaz, Noons and Daley, who did nothing against the guy who did less than nothing against the UFC champ.
Tyron Woodley and Tarec Saffedine need to be watched... those two are beasts..

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LW division: Melendez is great imo. He could be a contender in the UFC. Other than that: Thomson is decent. And Cavalcante.

The rest: cans! (if i forgot some fighters, excuse me. i am tired and had some extra beers)
This is where you're real wrong...

Jorge Masvidal
Billy Evangelista
Justin Wilcox
Lyle Beerbohm

These guys are like the 4 horsemen all heavily skilled and capable of wreckin shit.

Beerbom and Evangelista are undefeated , Masvidal is slick striker with KO wins over Joe Lauzon and Yves Edwards, and Wilcox is just a beast, he just shut down Vitor Riberio in his last fight...

Those guys are very exciting and are the new generation of LWs in STRIKEFORCE..

Throw them in with Thompson, Melendez, JZ and Noons when he bounces back from WW like he does and you got some fights.....

Include the cross promotion with DREAM fighters like Aoki and the fact that Kawajiri is more than likely on his way over this year and you must have bumped your head to say that STRIKEFORCEs LW divsion is a bunch of cans...


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The SF is doing an excellent job atm promoting its biggest and most important asset: the HW division.
They should keep focusing on this until they can sign some big names in the other divisions.

At this point WW needs work but as it is they are well on their way of having a very respectable promotion.
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my point with the LHW division at SF is that it is on the rise big time and given focus at the promotion, while at the UFC it is on the decline it has lost much more than it has gained over the last year in the UFC and and the vast majority of fighters in the UFC LHW division are 3rd rate making it an easy claim for the few decent fighters they do have.

Hence the UFC are doing a very poor job at proving top fights and new talented fighters at not only HW but also at LHW, because it gives way to much focus to the lower weights and as a result it lets the LHW and HW divisions suffer.

The UFC can't handle running all divisions as strongly, for the record nether could Stirkeforce I believe, thats why I belive its best for the fans if the 2 promotions split the loads and becoem specialist in different weight classes, both are going to exist the UFC will fail to be the last promotion standing while others all fall, which would be really bad for the sport anyway, so that sthe best way if could be split up.
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I don't see the problem, this is like pride when they had the GP belt and a HW belt
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