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Old 02-13-2011, 11:37 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I think it would be hard for him to make 205.

I dont see it as all bad, a lot of people realized Fador win or lose is a bad ass.

Id still love to see him and Randy have a go, IDK.
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Old 02-13-2011, 01:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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When the bigger guy doesn't have great skills (Brock) and the smaller guy has better skills - then NO, size doesn't matter!

But when you are 230 lbs heavy and you have a 285 lbs Brazilian Black Belt mounting you, dropping bombs and going for submissions - then YES, size matters!
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I think it would be hard for him to make 205.

I dont see it as all bad, a lot of people realized Fador win or lose is a bad ass.

Id still love to see him and Randy have a go, IDK.
You cant be serious lol...fedor is borderline overweight. he is 511 and 230 pounds with a lot of flab. I would bet money that Fedor could make 170. He wouldnt have the slightest issue making 185 if he just like that gigantic belly.

Not trying to diss Fedor...I look just like him. In fact like I said in another thread I am 511 and 225 and I know for sure I could make 185. 170 might be tough but I bet it is easily doable.
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Old 02-13-2011, 01:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Size matters big time. He could toss around Fedor and easily mount him. Fedor would be better off with cutting down to 205, he would be a force there and would obviously dominate the LHW Devision from Strikeforce.
These guys get better and better and that difference of weight was enormous. Fedor is a LHW or even MW not a HW.
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Old 02-13-2011, 02:01 PM   #14 (permalink)
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In this fight with Silva, size was a big issue in my eyes because I think Silva was almost on the same skill level than Fedor.

Nothing like the Cain/Brock fight!
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Old 02-13-2011, 02:24 PM   #15 (permalink)
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People kept using size as an excuse when Brock beat Randy and Mir. Yet when he lost to Cain his size didn't matter? Its skill that prevails not size. Same thing happened with fedor tonight.
Cain is just that much better than Mir. He's faster, stronger, and has better wrestling which allowed him to get Brock off him rather than take a beating like Mir did.

Couture was undoubtedly too small for Lesnar. He weighed in at 220, he probably gave up 50-60 pounds. It would take skill beyond Couture's to deal with Lesnar. It would take much better striking which Cain has... the outcome was a Brock ass whoopin.

Fedor has superior wrestling/judo and striking than Bigfoot, but perhaps not better BJJ. But Fedor has survived with Ricardo Arona all over him on the ground, so Fedor is elite in BJJ too. So if he can deal with Arona but not Silva... wht's the difference? I'll let you work that one out.

Fedor's skill and power are no longer enough because there's heavyweights who cut to 265 who now have legit skills. There wasn't anyone around in 2005/6 that were that heavy and so well rounded fighters with one high level attribute such as Bigfoot with his BJJ. Cain is heavier than Fedor by a whole weight division but he would still struggle to deal with the size of Bigfoot. I think Cain's skills are beyond Bigfoot's but Fedor vs Cain would be far more competitive than last night. That too is down to size.

It's not an exact science but it's pretty obvious size matters, and Fedor was on top in an era when super heavyweights who had wrestling titles or BJJ blackbelts didn't exist. The loss to Werdum I think is pure coincidence. 9 times out of 10 Fedor would have knocked Werdum out but he got sloppy, and maybe a legit heavyweight BJJ black belt was a newish scenario to Fedor. But I think that was a fluke, but Fedor would have lost to Bigfoot regardless because he's simply too small.

It's not an excuse... it's acknowledging that the division Fedor has fought in throughout his career is now being populated with real elite heavyweights. That's evolution, and it's the reason Fedor has fallen. That doesn't change the fact that when Pride ended Fedor was easily the best heavyweight on the planet. The only competition was Sylvia and Couture. I can only imagine what the KO would have been like if Fedor ever fought Randy - that shit would have been cold. And Sylvia... well Fedor pretty much ended his career. He could still smash most heavyweights too except a select few. And if he dropped to 205 who knows, I don't think anyone could deal with him.

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Old 02-13-2011, 04:36 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Size only matters when the smaller guy loses.
LOL thats why they weren't any threads calling for a cruiser weight division........People no the risks at being a small HW but to so blind and say people only care when the small guy loses its a joke.

Randy vs Brock was one of the biggest fails i have ever seen , Every discounts the machida win over Penn yet thats the same difference in szie for Fedor and Randy , may aswell sanction Edgar vs Shogun since its the same size difference.

Can you see the point or are you just to stubborn to realise that people arent defending Fedor but more so pointing out the big factors in why he lost ?
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Old 02-13-2011, 05:45 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I think it would be hard for him to make 205.
dude anderson drops from 220 to 185, that's 35lbs compared to fedor's 25 if he decided to drop ofcourse..beside, like Ape City said, it'd be better if he dropped to 185 due to his height but i'd still prefer watching him in 205 cus 205 is toughest division out there!
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Old 02-13-2011, 06:01 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Lets have Fedor fight Hendo and see what happens,and i'm pretty sure Hendo mentioned he wanted to fight Fedor.
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Old 02-13-2011, 06:47 PM   #19 (permalink)
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that'd be an awesome fight. Fedor vs. Henderson. Battle of the overhand right.
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People kept using size as an excuse when Brock beat Randy and Mir. Yet when he lost to Cain his size didn't matter? Its skill that prevails not size. Same thing happened with fedor tonight.
Size matters, otherwise we wouldn't need weight divisions.
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