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10 Questions to Ask in a Post-Fedor World

Really good article by cagepotato. I pretty much agree with what they are saying this really devalues the tournament.

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1. Is it really time to walk away?

Dude, obviously. One of Strikeforce’s mid-major heavyweights made Emelianenko look like a fighter of very little consequence last night. He was outsized and outclassed by Antonio “Bigfoot” Silva in every chartable way. For a guy who has meant so much to the sport during the last decade, you’d love to see him make a graceful exit with his peerless 31-3 record still somewhat intact. Could Fedor stick around for a few more fights? Probably even win a couple? Sure, but after last night it would only feel like Tyson after Holyfield, like Jordan after he bought the Wizards, like Favre after the dick pics leaked. In other words: Just sad. Throughout his career, Emelianenko has done things no other man has been able to do. Let’s hope he can add the ability to call it quits when the time is right to that list of accomplishments.

2. Is 205-pounds a possibility?

For a normal human, yeah. For Fedor? We can’t picture it. A mortal man of Fedor’s stature would have gotten his ass down to light heavyweight years ago, but until his last pair of outings Emelianenko has never been mortal. Clearly he could cut the weight without sacrificing much more than a little baby fat, but given what we know about the man himself we’re not sure this guy is even aware there is a light heavyweight division.

3. How long have we been living this lie?

For awhile now. Fedor hasn’t quite been himself in any of his last handful of appearances. He was losing the Arlovski fight before the knockout. He was losing the Rogers fight before the knockout. Perhaps at some point while he was fighting all those cans during the last five years, the game passed him up. Either that or his skills have eroded to the point that he can no longer get away with cutting the technical corners he used to cut. The writing has been on the wall as far back as his last fight in Affliction, we just ignored it because, c’mon, this was frickin’ Fedor we were talking about.

4. Does the grand prix still matter?

It does, but it needs a good showing from Alistair Overeem now more than ever. All along, Strikeforce has been trying desperately to craft the argument that the winner of the GP will be the No. 1-2 heavyweight in the world. Except, that line of reasoning pretty much assumed the winner would be Emelianenko or The Reem. Maybe Werdum, but honestly we’re still not sure we buy into the public image of the resurgent “Vai Cavalo” that’s been all the rage since his own win over Emelianenko. Stikeforce still has a nice little tourney going, but if the final somehow turns out to be Bigfoot vs. Kharitonov, don’t let anybody feed you the line of hooey that it means anything.

5. They can’t still be thinking of putting this thing on pay-per-view, right?

Good god, no. You serious?

6. Speaking of Werdum, how much does this devalue his win over Emelianenko?

Big time. If this were college football Werdum’s “strength of schedule” would be in a tailspin now that the marquee win of his season looks like it may have come over a powder-puff squad. Don’t worry though, Fab’s upcoming bout with Overeem will pretty much tell the tale on where he’s at. If Werdum wins that one, then we can consider him a Top Five guy. Until then, the jury’s still out.

7. OK assholes, so what does this victory mean for Bigfoot?

We’re tempted to say not a lot, actually, aside from the fact he’s just one freak injury or another upset win away from the GP final. Strikeforce can do as much damage control as it wants about how the giant Top Team fighter has “always been underrated” but this fight clearly said more about Fedor’s decline than it did about Pezao’s ascension. Honestly though, we hope some so-called “MMA analyst” slots Silva as the No. 2-heavyweight in the world after this, just like a bunch of guys did with Werdum last June. That’ll be rich.

8. Are we doomed to a lifetime of Fedor comparisons, Fedor arguments and declarations that some dude is “the new Fedor”?

Unfortunately, yes. It took Gus Johnson and Mauro Ranallo all of 10 minutes following the Silva loss to draw the aforementioned ponderous association between Kharitonov and Emelianenko while they were scrambling close the show. We wish we could tell you that will be the last time some dumbass compares a random, totally undeserving fighter to The Great Man, but it won’t be. Not by a longshot.

9. Can Strikeforce take this opportunity to totally wash its hands of M-1 Global?

Let’s hope so. If any good comes out of this it’ll be that Scoot Coker can unload at least one of the giant albatrosses that perennially threaten to kill his company. Out with the Russians gangsters … in with the, uh, Japanese gangsters if SF makes good on its plan to take Barnett and Overeem overseas in April.

10. Wait. You don’t think Strikeforce will figure out a way to get him back in the tournament … do you?

It would be pretty low, even for them. On the other hand, nothing these guys can do would surprise us anymore. I mean, did you see Gus Johnson last night? The promotion that allows its play-by-play man to go on national television looking like that is capable of anything. Concocting a half-baked scheme to get Fedor back in the draw would be so dim-witted and would so kill whatever limited momentum the GP has left, that it totally seems like something Strikeforce would do. Furthermore, it would probably only open up Fedor to more physical punishment. Nobody wants to see that, so let’s hope the “Tournament Committee” plays this one straight.[/quote]


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Old 02-14-2011, 03:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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M-1 Global + Strikeforce is dead. Russian fighters can stay in M-1 Global and fight amongst themselves in like Russia V.S. The World (of cans we find on the street) events to satisfy mother Russia.
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This article means nothing to me. Fedor is still a bad ass fighter and stuff like that. He just isn't the best anymore.
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funny how you can call Big Foot and Arlovski cans, lets look at Arlovski career first shall we he is one of the best fighters in the UFC, he leaves the UFC and has since only faced tougher opponents which has been his only downfall, take Roy Nelson into this equation, Nelson loses to Arlovski then goes to the UFC where he gets to face a lower level of opponents and gets himself a respectable UFC record and is seen as one of there possible dark horse contenders.

Diss MMA Maths all you like but the evidence above is outstanding pointing towards the UFC having a much lower level of competition to face at HW if it was the other way round and NElson was fighting the guys Arlovski has faced at Striekforce and Arlovski was facing the guys Nelson is facing in the UFC who do you think would be on the losing streak?

Big Foot, OK I confess there are still floors in his game, he is not great in the athletic sense and I don't think he works well off his back although he is good at avoiding large amounts of damage from his back so can survive there. His biggest strength tho is that if the gets on top of you just once in a match he can cause immense damage he has a wide range of submission skills in his arsenal making him very very dangerous from top position, his stand up can hold up well also, he has a great chin and hold his own even against the best on the feet, but his main strength is still by far been on top in a ground fight. He was the raining EliteXC HW champion, he has good take downs and holds a Black Belt in Judo to add to his Take down arsenal, he is a full blows 265 HW not carrying any access fat, good Cardio and is a relentless hard worker.

If you ask me he has all the making of a champion right there, and is about as far away from the can you rate him as, compare him to say Brock Lesnar, Brock is more athletic but does not share the skill level of Big Foot, Brock has not shown much off his back except assuming the turtle position big foot may not have shown much offence from his back but he does putt guard very well, in fact I dont think I have ever seen anyone pass his guard and does defend himself well.

From top position both have excellent GnP and can to much damage Silva does improve position better and goes for mount, Brock tents to go for side control against Mir I believe he had problems passing half guard and worked GnP from there, so no doubt Silva is better at advancing position, has equal damage GnP and Silva has the much more Superior submission arsenal making him significantly more dangerous to be on top of you.

In the Takedowns department I would give the edge to Brock because he is more athletic and can shoot in faster, but Silva also has great success in this area and could take most guys down.

Stand up you have to give to Silva with Brocks stand up been such a low standard and Silvas been above average and still dangerous.

I make this comparison with Brock since I know you are or at least was a huge Brock fan and on his bandwagon big time as least when he was the champ, and my final verdict is that Big Foot is a more skilled and more dangerous version of Brock with many simulates such as size, style of fighting, and main strengths.
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funny how you can call Big Foot and Arlovski cans, lets look at Arlovski career first shall we he is one of the best fighters in the UFC, he leaves the UFC and has since only faced tougher opponents which has been his only downfall, take Roy Nelson into this equation, Nelson loses to Arlovski then goes to the UFC where he gets to face a lower level of opponents and gets himself a respectable UFC record and is seen as one of there possible dark horse contenders.

Diss MMA Maths all you like but the evidence above is outstanding pointing towards the UFC having a much lower level of competition to face at HW if it was the other way round and NElson was fighting the guys Arlovski has faced at Striekforce and Arlovski was facing the guys Nelson is facing in the UFC who do you think would be on the losing streak?

Big Foot, OK I confess there are still floors in his game, he is not great in the athletic sense and I don't think he works well off his back although he is good at avoiding large amounts of damage from his back so can survive there. His biggest strength tho is that if the gets on top of you just once in a match he can cause immense damage he has a wide range of submission skills in his arsenal making him very very dangerous from top position, his stand up can hold up well also, he has a great chin and hold his own even against the best on the feet, but his main strength is still by far been on top in a ground fight. He was the raining EliteXC HW champion, he has good take downs and holds a Black Belt in Judo to add to his Take down arsenal, he is a full blows 265 HW not carrying any access fat, good Cardio and is a relentless hard worker.

If you ask me he has all the making of a champion right there, and is about as far away from the can you rate him as, compare him to say Brock Lesnar, Brock is more athletic but does not share the skill level of Big Foot, Brock has not shown much off his back except assuming the turtle position big foot may not have shown much offence from his back but he does putt guard very well, in fact I dont think I have ever seen anyone pass his guard and does defend himself well.

From top position both have excellent GnP and can to much damage Silva does improve position better and goes for mount, Brock tents to go for side control against Mir I believe he had problems passing half guard and worked GnP from there, so no doubt Silva is better at advancing position, has equal damage GnP and Silva has the much more Superior submission arsenal making him significantly more dangerous to be on top of you.

In the Takedowns department I would give the edge to Brock because he is more athletic and can shoot in faster, but Silva also has great success in this area and could take most guys down.

Stand up you have to give to Silva with Brocks stand up been such a low standard and Silvas been above average and still dangerous.

I make this comparison with Brock since I know you are or at least was a huge Brock fan and on his bandwagon big time as least when he was the champ, and my final verdict is that Big Foot is a more skilled and more dangerous version of Brock with many simulates such as size, style of fighting, and main strengths.
I'd have to agree with all of your points Killershark.

Silva needs to get some big time credit here. I'm a really big Fedor fan and I can definitely tell it's time for him to retire and go down in History is the greatest HW of all time.

Fedor dominated in a time where HW's had one skill or another, not fully rounded like the guys of today. Add to the fact that Fedor gives up reach, height and weight.... that's a bad combo in a division where one punch can end a fight.

People try to discredit Fedor, yet every respectable MMA fighter names him the GOAT.... that really says a lot.

Onto Arlovski, while a great fighter.... seems like the reciepe to take him out is pressure and hit him on the chin early. Poor guy, he's a great fighter with amazing athletisism, but when a roadblock appears, his confidence shatters.

Siva... he's is soo undervalued as a fighter, I feel I never gave him the credit he deserved. I agree too, he'd take Brock and punish him dearly, then mount and GNP to a TKO or submit him.

The UFC division to me, is looking weaker by the minute. There's Cain and Dos Santos.... the next best talent is tiers below (until I see Carwin improve his cardio), he ranks 3-4th for me.
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7. OK assholes, so what does this victory mean for Bigfoot?

We’re tempted to say not a lot, actually, aside from the fact he’s just one freak injury or another upset win away from the GP final. Strikeforce can do as much damage control as it wants about how the giant Top Team fighter has “always been underrated” but this fight clearly said more about Fedor’s decline than it did about Pezao’s ascension. Honestly though, we hope some so-called “MMA analyst” slots Silva as the No. 2-heavyweight in the world after this, just like a bunch of guys did with Werdum last June. That’ll be rich.
If you want to see an MMA analysis view that is not UFC biased on the current, then I consider myself an excellent judge of this in the HW division especially, am good with the LHW division as well, but am so far ahead of the division hype that others caught in the hype are still catching up, dont do P4P at all as its pointless imo in a sport where different styles suit different divisions.

Some say I am anti-UFC pro SF in my opinions but this is not true, how many times do the guys who say that claim statements like "he should goto SF to face a lower level of opponents" when talking about someone failing in the UFC, I just call it how it is and if the fighters in SF are more skilled than the ones in the UFC then I give then the credit they deserve, its not been biased against the UFC if many of the top fighter in the sport especially the HW division are not in the UFC at present its just the way it is, if people can't accept that and see it as biased against the UFC then fine but it remains the truth.

Anyway here is my Top 10 HW list

Cain
Overeem
JDS
Werdum
Bigfoot
Fedor
Brock
Carwin
Barnett
Mir or Rogers or Kharitonov

Bare in mind what makes the difference between fighters next to each other is fractions, took many people see a lit like this and act as if its saying Overeem is Miles better than JDS for example because he is ranked higher when in fact the difference could sometimes be measured on a knifes edge and chance in just one fight.

The Mir vs Rogers shout for No.10 sport to make a clear top 10 will sort its self out over the next fights for both fighters, its quite an interesting situation If Rogers beats Barnett then he cements himself in the current top 10, possibility pushing Mir or Barnett himself out, depending on overall performance in the fights.

If Mir beats Nelson and Rogers Loses then its clear that Mir takes that spot.

If both Mir and Rogers win then is more than likely to push Barnett out the top ten and Mir and Rogers will be 9 and 10 in a very close battle possibility edged by Rogers having just come off a win over a slightly higher ranked opponent with Barnett than Mir against Nelson who just resides outside the top 10 listing 12th or 13th.

If Nelson gets a convincing win over Mir then this could potentially push him into the top 10 but would need a very disappointing performance from ether Roger or Barnett to be over took.
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I'd also like to add on Fedor...

To be undefeated for almost 10 years is not only impressive, it's unbelievable. Giving up weight, reach and possibly a good amount of strength to compete in HW says a lot. He's a warrior who pulled off some of the most dominant finishes and comebacks in MMA.

I can't believe how many haters can't give credit where it's due. Tyson lost at some point, Ali did, Jordan, Federer, Michael Johnson, Shumacher, etc etc...

What i'm trying to say is all the best have lost one or multiple times. It's just stupidity to just a persons worth on one instance, instead of their entire career.

I also read what Dana said about Fedor.... he reminds me of Vince McMahan.... great business man but a total piece of trash as a human being. He's soo two faced with his propaganda it's asinine.

I hope Strikeforce co-promotes an event for HW and knocks UFC down a peg.
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I'd also like to add on Fedor...

To be undefeated for almost 10 years is not only impressive, it's unbelievable.
Had he been in the UFC he never would have been undefeated... this argument is a joke.
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Had he been in the UFC he never would have been undefeated... this argument is a joke.
your argument is a joke, oh wait you have not even got an argument to back up this total joke of a point with no solid evidence to support your claim other than words said by Dana White.

Truth is he is facing far Superior competition outside the UFC than the majority of fighter at HW inside the UFC with there restrictive policies there to protect there fighters from been exposed by having to fight the best fighters outside the UFC,

Take Arlovski for example, did excellent inside the UFC, but then leaves the UFC and starts to face a higher grade of competition and now he is on the worse loosing streak of his career, Then look at Nelson a guy who Arlovski beat not long back outside the UFC, he goes to the UFC and is doing well and considered one of the top fighters they have, now think if the tables where reversed, what if Arlovski went back to the UFC and faced the opponents Nelson has faced, and Nelson had gone to Strikeforce and faced the opponents Arlovski has faced, I think if that had been the case there current records now would both be very different what do you think?

You just carry on believing on your reality TV stars, because thats what makes up the ranks of the UFC right now, a bunch of fighters who could not get recognized nor had the skills to compete on the top level of the circuit, but went on reality TV won a competition, or maybe didn't even have to win, yet now fight on the UFC, ok there are the odd exceptions to this rule but you are now looking at this when you look at a large percent of the UFC raster.
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Anyway here is my Top 10 HW list

Cain
Overeem
JDS
Werdum
Bigfoot
Fedor
Brock
Carwin
Barnett
Mir or Rogers

The Mir vs Rogers shout for No.10 sport to make a clear top 10 will sort its self out over the next fights for both fighters, its quite an interesting situation If Rogers beats Barnett then he cements himself in the current top 10, possibility pushing Mir or Barnett himself out, depending on overall performance in the fights.
This is actually a decent list, especially coming from you.

I see no reason how you can even mention Rogers in the top 10 though. He has seriously 1 decent win in his life...and that is vs. AA who everyone can beat now a days. He has 2 losses to 2 of the best, and just almost lost to a guy with a sub .500 record. I don't see how 1 win vs. a guy like Arlovski is enough to mention him in the top 10. I mean he could at least have 1 more credible win in his whole career. Mir hasn't been great, but at least he has beat guys who are relevant to the game. It gets thin any way you cut it towards the end of the top 10 at HW, but Mir has beat more than 1 glass jaw'd opponent in his life.

I don't see how Rogers is even a top 15 HW at this point. The rest of the list is solid in my opinion.
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