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It's not an opinion. Fedor and Ali have almost zero in common.

While, you're correct that Ali is very famous he was never a universal hero, especially when he was an active fighter. Just as many hated him as loved him.
Dude, he won Sportsmen of the Century by BBC and Sports Illustrated.

When he was active he was polarizing but in retirement he is one of the most beloved sports stars in history.

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Dude, he won Sportsmen of the Century by BBC and Sports Illustrated.

When he was active he was polarizing but in retirement he is one of the most beloved sports stars in history.
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I didn't realize Ali only beat 2 good HWs in his entire career.
Oy! I wasn't easy, but I had to rep osmium for this. Good sarcasm can't go unrewarded.

Comparing Fedor to Ali has to be considered nothing short of blasphemy. Just look at the competition Ali took on.

Liston, Forman, Frazier, Norton, Patterson, Young, Shavers, even took on Homes way past his prime. Who did Ali ever duck?

Sorry, this just won't work. Fedor was good HW a few years back. He deserves credit. He is not a Gretzsky, or Jordan or Ali. His resume is fair at best, fighting very few actual natural HW's. He fought many mediocre fighters and was unable to finish. And he ducked the best fighters for about 7 years. Try as you may, you will fail and making him out to be Ali.

And please stop blaming M1 for his ducks.
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He is more like Rocky Marciano with mob links and all. Just like Rock, he will be surpassed by many but still be an all time great.
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He is more like Rocky Marciano......
You've gotta be kidd'n me.
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You've gotta be kidd'n me.
Thought of all ppl, u would appreciate that comparison. Rocky was undefeated but didnt fight most of the top HWs of the time. Had mafia management that gave him a ton of gimmie fights and asked for ridiculous things when challenged by the top HWs of the time.

Rocky is an all time great but due to his lack of fighting other top HWs of the era isnt th GOAT. Its a much better comparison than Ali IMO
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Thought of all ppl, u would appreciate that comparison. Rocky was undefeated but didnt fight most of the top HWs of the time. ...
Who did he duck??
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Who did he duck??
Cleveland Williams, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Ingemar Johanson to name a few. Like Fedor, i dont think Rocky was ducking anybody himself but his management was. I think Rock might have beaten some of those guys, NOT Liston tho. Oh hell no. It came to the point where his undefeated record became more important than taking on the new breed of younger HWs coming up...... sound like anybody you know??

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just wanted to say that i completely agree with the writer, thumbs up for writing such an excellent piece.
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Cleveland Williams, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Ingemar Johanson to name a few. Like Fedor, i dont think Rocky was ducking anybody himself but his management was. I think Rock might have beaten some of those guys, NOT Liston tho. Oh hell no. It came to the point where his undefeated record became more important than taking on the new breed of younger HWs coming up...... sound like anybody you know??
Those guys were very young at the time. It's just not the same. Fedor was in talks to take on the best fighters and backed out. Marciano was not ducking anyone, at least of his own will.

Also, Marciano was fighting HW's with him as a very small HW. He was finishing almost everyone. Fedor was fighting LHW's and small HW's who were taking him the distance.

Finally, Marciano successfully retired undefeated after 49 fights, even if he did have a few easy ones toward the end. Fedor lost his "easy" fights.

There's no comparison.

I would compare Fedor to Shamrock. Both were the best at their respective times. Then again, Shamrock didn't duck fighters, even when he should have.

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