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Old 02-17-2011, 12:00 PM   #41 (permalink)
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If anything Fedor is closer to Mike Tyson (without the level of fame on controversy)

But from a purely fight record point of view I see more of a comparison to Tyson than Ali. Don't misunderstand, Tyson and Fedor are polar opposites in terms of personality and conduct.

Both at there prime cleaned up their respective divisions, Tyson unified the heavyweight division and developed an awesome reputation as "the baddest man on the planet" while in truth never having to beat any GREAT fighters (certainly none who transcend their era and go down in boxings hall of fame)

You could say Fedor's time in Pride was similar, beat all comers in his organisation and ruled for a long time without having to fight many true legends (Nog and Cro cop aside)

I think both came with a massive amount of hype, and whilst both were amazing fighters and legends in their respective sports neither really had the number of fights against the quality of opponents to fully justify their reputations and perceived greatness.

Tyson never beat the likes of Lewis, Holyfield (although he lost to both when they did finally meet up) Riddock Bowe, Kilitchco etc. I mean he had this ora of greatness without ever really beating a great fighter.

Razor Ruddock? Hmm well look what Lewis did to him, Tyson's achievements were great and like Fedor you can only beat what is put infront of you but the bottom line is he never beat the other hall of fame fighters of his era (as Fedor never tested himself outside of Pride's talent pool)

Post Pride Fedor also reminds me of post jail Tyson, each trading of reputation Tyson beating the likes of Frank Bruno and Bruce Seldon but able to headline massive bills because he was IRON MIKE TYSON regardless of he he fought and Fedor went from Affliction to Strikeforce etc and heading the billing regardless of whether he was fighting a washed up Tim Silvia or a never was BRett Rogers...he was Fedor baddest man on the planet it didn't matter who he fought his hype from previous achievements were enough to sell events.

And finally Fedors recent back to back defeats remind me of when Tyson finally ran into Holyfield and Lewis, the years of inactivity and lack of testing yourself against the best crept up on him and he was exposed.

I just hope Fedor has enough sense to not continue the Tyson trend and end up embarrassing himself and his legacy in the style Iron Mike did with loses to such no hopers as Danny Williams and Kevin McBride.

Iron Mike and Fedor, to of the biggest names ever in their respective sports. Both exciting and supremely talented, both hall of fame no brainers but neither is on a level with the GReat Muhammed Ali as neither beat the very best and took on every test they could (tyson never beat Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe and Fedor never came to UFC to prove his status)
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:44 AM   #43 (permalink)
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If anything Fedor is closer to Mike Tyson (without the level of fame on controversy)

But from a purely fight record point of view I see more of a comparison to Tyson than Ali. Don't misunderstand, Tyson and Fedor are polar opposites in terms of personality and conduct.

Both at there prime cleaned up their respective divisions, Tyson unified the heavyweight division and developed an awesome reputation as "the baddest man on the planet" while in truth never having to beat any GREAT fighters (certainly none who transcend their era and go down in boxings hall of fame)

You could say Fedor's time in Pride was similar, beat all comers in his organisation and ruled for a long time without having to fight many true legends (Nog and Cro cop aside)

I think both came with a massive amount of hype, and whilst both were amazing fighters and legends in their respective sports neither really had the number of fights against the quality of opponents to fully justify their reputations and perceived greatness.

Tyson never beat the likes of Lewis, Holyfield (although he lost to both when they did finally meet up) Riddock Bowe, Kilitchco etc. I mean he had this ora of greatness without ever really beating a great fighter.

Razor Ruddock? Hmm well look what Lewis did to him, Tyson's achievements were great and like Fedor you can only beat what is put infront of you but the bottom line is he never beat the other hall of fame fighters of his era (as Fedor never tested himself outside of Pride's talent pool)

Post Pride Fedor also reminds me of post jail Tyson, each trading of reputation Tyson beating the likes of Frank Bruno and Bruce Seldon but able to headline massive bills because he was IRON MIKE TYSON regardless of he he fought and Fedor went from Affliction to Strikeforce etc and heading the billing regardless of whether he was fighting a washed up Tim Silvia or a never was BRett Rogers...he was Fedor baddest man on the planet it didn't matter who he fought his hype from previous achievements were enough to sell events.

And finally Fedors recent back to back defeats remind me of when Tyson finally ran into Holyfield and Lewis, the years of inactivity and lack of testing yourself against the best crept up on him and he was exposed.

I just hope Fedor has enough sense to not continue the Tyson trend and end up embarrassing himself and his legacy in the style Iron Mike did with loses to such no hopers as Danny Williams and Kevin McBride.

Iron Mike and Fedor, to of the biggest names ever in their respective sports. Both exciting and supremely talented, both hall of fame no brainers but neither is on a level with the GReat Muhammed Ali as neither beat the very best and took on every test they could (tyson never beat Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe and Fedor never came to UFC to prove his status)
The argument I have with the Tyson Fedor comparison is that Tyson fought everyone he could during his reign and he didn't avoid anyone. People argue he avoided Evander but they did wind up fighting. There are MANY fighters Fedor could have fought and didn't... even when he was in Pride he never faced Sergei, Werdum (who later beat him) or Barnett. After that Couture, then many challenges awaited for him in the UFC that he did not face. Then Overeem. So many fighters Fedor avoided facing up to now at his relatively young age of 34.
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The argument I have with the Tyson Fedor comparison is that Tyson fought everyone he could during his reign and he didn't avoid anyone. People argue he avoided Evander but they did wind up fighting. There are MANY fighters Fedor could have fought and didn't... even when he was in Pride he never faced Sergei, Werdum (who later beat him) or Barnett. After that Couture, then many challenges awaited for him in the UFC that he did not face. Then Overeem. So many fighters Fedor avoided facing up to now at his relatively young age of 34.
The only chance Fedor would have had to fight Werdum in pride was when the 2006 openweight grand prix was going on, but Fedor could not compete in that due to injury. Even if Fedor had been able to enter the tournament, Werdum lost to big nog in the quarterfinals so they wouldn't have ended up meeting anyway. As for Barnett, it beats me why he was never chosen to fight Fedor in pride. He had some impressive wins. I guess there were just others in line before him. Although that fight was gonna happen in 2009, but Barnett got busted for steroids.
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I really hate to be the dick in this situation, but it's muhammad ali. I thought it might be good to at least spell the man's name right. The comparison as far as careers is not really there. Ali had rivals like Frazier and Norton that beat him 1/3 times. Fedor never really had a rival. Also Ali's career is different in that his prime was taken away from him. Is there any doubt that losing three years in his prime hurt him? Fedor never lost that time. I do think the comparison as one of the greats of the era that had some losses at the end of their career is apt.

As far as a public figure, there is no comparison. While Ali was very polarizing during his career, he was symbol to a lot of people, especially African Americans. He stood up to the system and at his own peril. What has made Ali more well loved in later years is that he was made right for what he stood up for. Obviously the equal rights for all citizens is something that is for the most part believed in within the US. Also it is a consensus for most historians that the Vietnam War was a mistake and not necessary. What Ali did for the people of this country transcends sport. He, whether he meant to or not, was a civil rights and peace advocate during one of the most inwardly tumultuous times of our country's history in the last century.
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The argument I have with the Tyson Fedor comparison is that Tyson fought everyone he could during his reign and he didn't avoid anyone. People argue he avoided Evander but they did wind up fighting. There are MANY fighters Fedor could have fought and didn't... even when he was in Pride he never faced Sergei, Werdum (who later beat him) or Barnett. After that Couture, then many challenges awaited for him in the UFC that he did not face. Then Overeem. So many fighters Fedor avoided facing up to now at his relatively young age of 34.
For one, Tyson never fought Holyfield before his jail sentence he fought Buster Douglas in Toyko instead (and lost) he thought Holyfield later in his career and lost twice.

I'm not knocking Tyson, pre jail he cleaned up the division and unified the title but it just so happened the heavyweight division was weak at the time.

Fedor also pretty much cleaned up the Pride talent pool in similar fashion. Tyson's jail sentence lead to him not fighting Bowe, the biggest name on tyson record (he beat) is Larry Holmes we would old and well past his prime (sort of like Tyson himself was against Williams) after that? Michael Spinks I suppose or Ruddock (tyson never fought Ray Mercer, Oliver McCall)

Tyson could have taken tougher challenges than he did before Holyfield on his comeback Bruno/Seldon, well maybe not they were both champions to be fair albeit cans who happened to have the belt but the fact is he lost every tough fight he had after he came out of prison.

I'm not saying the Tyson comparison is perfect, just better than one with Ali (which I think is pretty dumb frankly)
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wow it took long for someone to point that out, MUhammad, MU! comparing fedor to ali is so wrong .
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If anything Fedor is closer to Mike Tyson (without the level of fame on controversy)...
Even this comparison fails on so many levels. Tyson went out with a bang. He kept fighting the best and kept getting his ass beat. He never ducked anyone. The Holyfield fight was set, but then he ended up in jail.

Fedor didn't just duck young up and coming fighters, he even avoided top ranked fighters that would old than him. There's really no one in boxing or mma to compare him to. He's in a category all by himself. Maybe Floyed Mayweather would be close, as he's ducking pac, but apart from that, Mayweather has fought the best. Fedor has fought cans and hasbeens for what 7 years?

Fedor really has a unique legacy. He was once great. The mma media puffed him up about 5-7 years longer than he should have been.
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Fedor didn't just duck young up and coming fighters, he even avoided top ranked fighters that would old than him. There's really no one in boxing or mma to compare him to. He's in a category all by himself. Maybe Floyed Mayweather would be close, as he's ducking pac, but apart from that, Mayweather has fought the best. Fedor has fought cans and hasbeens for what 7 years?
Do you have proof that he ducked fights? If not? please go find something else to comment about rather than saying nonsense!

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fedor stinks get over it, its over your overrated 'last emperor" is done, he finally fought someone good not named big nog in his prime, he loses to a potential mw but fights also at lhw, a one dimensional grappler and a real heavyweight that weighed 265 at least. you stupid fedor fans are the ones who made us and dana hate you and fedor so remember that and no one can disagree with the facts
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