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Old 02-18-2011, 11:45 AM   #21 (permalink)
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If Kyle didnt smash Big Foot for a round, then shane carwin didn't smash brock for a round either..... Silva couldnt trade with Kyle, so he used his size and strength advantage to get him to the ground and donkey kong him out.

Despite the fedor win, i consider him a mid level heavy weight. The only area he really excels in is his BJJ, every thing else is really quite average. He was out struck by Werdum.

I see him getting smashed by cain, jds and overeem and he would probably lose to werdum again.
So let me get this straight.... just because Mike Kyle is a better striker than Bigfoot that makes Silva a mid level HW? Get real. Mike Kyle KO'ed Anderson SIlvas protogee Feijao in the first and Feijao is a wrecking machine. Kyle is a deadly striker period. You're reaching.

And it doesn't matter who you "see him getting smashed by"

Fact of the matter is he was a top 10 HW. And he just destroyed a top 5 HW. Antonio Silva is an elite HW.
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:52 AM   #22 (permalink)
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So let me get this straight.... just because Mike Kyle is a better striker than Bigfoot that makes Silva a mid level HW? Get real. Mike Kyle KO'ed Anderson SIlvas protogee Feijao in the first and Feijao is a wrecking machine. Kyle is a deadly striker period. You're reaching.

And it doesn't matter who you "see him getting smashed by"

Fact of the matter is he was a top 10 HW. And he just destroyed a top 5 HW. Antonio Silva is an elite HW.
He was out struck by Werdum too. I dont care which way you look at it, a LHW beating down a huge HW for a round is not good.

As I said, cain, reem, jds and probably werdum would all beat big foot. Skillwise i rank him with guys like Rothwell and Nelson. He has his chance to prove me wrong when he faces reem/werdum.
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He was out struck by Werdum too. I dont care which way you look at it, a LHW beating down a huge HW for a round is not good.

As I said, cain, reem, jds and probably werdum would all beat big foot. Skillwise i rank him with guys like Rothwell and Nelson. He has his chance to prove me wrong when he faces reem/werdum.
i gotta agree with this man here. BigFoot is at that Rothwell level to me too.


I also think Rothwell could give Fedor big problems too. Ppl will flame me for it but he has the size, striking and ground game to give Fedor big problems and a chin to take whatever Fedor can throw at him.


I would also bet on Del Rosario vs Bigfoot because im sure the odds would be super sweet.
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He was out struck by Werdum too. I dont care which way you look at it, a LHW beating down a huge HW for a round is not good.

As I said, cain, reem, jds and probably werdum would all beat big foot. Skillwise i rank him with guys like Rothwell and Nelson. He has his chance to prove me wrong when he faces reem/werdum.
So Bigfoot getting dropped by a 220lb Mike Kyle and coming back in the second to brutally stop Kyle and win.

Than destroying Fedor Emelianenko in his next fight makes him a mid level HW?

Your logic is flawed. SIlva has proven his elite level HW status.
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So Bigfoot getting dropped by a 220lb Mike Kyle and coming back in the second to brutally stop Kyle and win.

Than destroying Fedor Emelianenko in his next fight makes him a mid level HW?

Your logic is flawed. SIlva has proven his elite level HW status.
He didnt just get dropped though did he. He got dropped and then beat down on for the rest of the round. Cain got dropped against kongo, but shot right back up and took him down. Silva got dropped and pounded on for a round by a LHW.

Again, he was out struck and beaten by Werdum too.

Im sorry but I just dont rate the guys skills, nothing about him wow's me. I'm in the same boat with shane carwin, most people probably think hes an elite heavy weight but im still not convinced by his skill set. I think a guy like rothwell would be a nightmare match up for both big foot and silva.

Like i said, BF has the chance to prove me wrong against reem/werdum and i'll report back and apologise to you. For now though, im just not sold on him.
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i gotta agree with this man here. BigFoot is at that Rothwell level to me too.
Wrong on all levels!
At this moment in time, Silva is 2 levels above Rothwell and he is getting better and better.
As far as skills: Silva is a black belt in BJJ, karate and judo.

Rothwell would get his ass kicked worse than against Cain.


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I also think Rothwell could give Fedor big problems too. Ppl will flame me for it but he has the size, striking and ground game to give Fedor big problems and a chin to take whatever Fedor can throw at him.
Because Rothwell has proven to be ab elite fighter with world class ground game...
And his striking is one of the best in the HW division....

Right?!

It amazes me, how many fighters seem to know everything about Fedor right now.
All of a sudded, everyone predicvted his loss to Silva...
All of a sudden, every HW in the world would beat Fedor...because, why not?! Silva did it, everyone can do it also?!

Wow...
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I would also bet on Del Rosario vs Bigfoot because im sure the odds would be super sweet.
If great odds are the main criteria you pick a fighter over another fighter, i've got bad news for you.
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:16 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Wrong on all levels!
At this moment in time, Silva is 2 levels above Rothwell and he is getting better and better.
As far as skills: Silva is a black belt in BJJ, karate and judo.

Rothwell would get his ass kicked worse than against Cain.




Because Rothwell has proven to be ab elite fighter with world class ground game...
And his striking is one of the best in the HW division....

Right?!

It amazes me, how many fighters seem to know everything about Fedor right now.
All of a sudded, everyone predicvted his loss to Silva...
All of a sudden, every HW in the world would beat Fedor...because, why not?! Silva did it, everyone can do it also?!

Wow...


If great odds are the main criteria you pick a fighter over another fighter, i've got bad news for you.
your saying Silva is a better striker than Rothwell...... sorry but no. He out struck soundly by Werdum and Kyle on the feet, he was holding his own and then some vs Fedor tho.

Silva is a decent fighter but so is Rothwell. I dont care about McDojo blackbelts in karate and judo, his TDs arent elite so that judo BB means little to nothing and his striking isnt elite so that karate BB means nothing either.

Ben is a blackbelt in kicking ppls asses and taking epic beatings.

Let me ask you, is Roy Nelson a joke to you aswell. Or since he has a blackbelt in BJJ you give him love. Cuz Rothwell beat Nelson before and its clear they are about the same level. Nelson was one fight away from championship contention and he went 3 rounds with JDS.

Just cuz you are sleeping on Rothwell doesnt mean everybody is. Just cuz you are high on BF cuz he beat Fedor doesnt mean everybody is and just cuz you think Fedor would beat everybody doesnt make it true.


As far as betting, yes, odds mean alot. If you bet and dont consider the odds you shouldnt be betting at all.


btw, Ben beat Ricco who i consider a very elite grappler who even gave BF problems on the ground, so stop acting like he is some joke cuz u obv dont know him very well.

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your saying Silva is a better striker than Rothwell...... sorry but no. He out struck soundly by Werdum and Kyle on the feet, he was holding his own and then some vs Fedor tho.

Silva is a decent fighter but so is Rothwell.
Silva is a good fighter and Rothwel is turning from mediocre to CAN!
As we speak!

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As far as betting, yes, odds mean alot. If you bet and dont consider the odds you shouldnt be betting at all.
I bet every day...you don't have to explain how it is with odds and stuff!

I was making a hint at the fact that you can't go by odds only.
In that case, every time you make a bet, go for the ones with bigger odds.

It's too early to compare Del Rosario to Silva.

Silva has been in some great fights against establisehd fighters, former UFC and Pride champions: Fedor, Werdum Arlovski, Ricco. Lost only to Werdum, a big part of that being the experience factor. But overall, Silva looked more than decent.
Fact that he got dropped and beat on by Kyle and then came back and put him away just shows what a tough fighter he is.
And he keeps improving.

Del Rosario is talented, but looking at his fighting record, who has he beaten so far?! Only B and C level fighters.
He has some way to go.

PS: he looked pretty tired after beating Johnson, at the post fight interview...something he needs to work on also.

You edited your post while i wrote mine...seriously man!
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Silva is a good fighter and Rothwel is turning from mediocre to CAN!
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I bet every day...you don't have to explain how it is with odds and stuff!

I was making a hint at the fact that you can't go by odds only.
In that case, every time you make a bet, go for the ones with bigger odds.

It's too early to compare Del Rosario to Silva.

Silva has been in some great fights against establisehd fighters, former UFC and Pride champions: Fedor, Werdum Arlovski, Ricco. Lost only to Werdum, a big part of that being the experience factor. But overall, Silva looked more than decent.
Fact that he got dropped and beat on by Kyle and then came back and put him away just shows what a tough fighter he is.
And he keeps improving.

Del Rosario is talented, but looking at his fighting record, who has he beaten so far?! Only B and C level fighters.
He has some way to go.

PS: he looked pretty tired after beating Johnson, at the post fight interview...something he needs to work on also.

You edited your post while i wrote mine...seriously man!

guess time will tell, im usually pretty good at sniffing out talent and my radar is going off like crazy when i watch Del Rosario.

Same arguement ppl made against Cain, that he hadnt fought anybody yet. Well you dont fight top guys til you fight top guys, all we can go on now is who he has fought and he has looked spectatular in all his fights and proved he has a chin in one of them. Much like Cain before he fought the top dogs.

Feel free to bump this if im wrong in the future. No hard feelings, i respect your opinion and respectfully disagree.
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guess time will tell, im usually pretty good at sniffing out talent and my radar is going off like crazy when i watch Del Rosario.
Did i say something bad about Del Rosario?! I'm missing something...

I consider him a very talented HW. one of the best HW prespects in the HW division - SF and UFC included.

But i still think he is fresh and he needs to fight a bigger name.
Wich i think will happen.
I wish it won't be Griggs though. It wouldn't help him at all.
I want to see Del Rosario vs Arlovski next. Or Del Rosario vs loser of Barnett-Rogers. No matter who loses that fight, it will be a test for Del Rosario: if he gets Rogers, he will be able to test his stand-up.
If he gets Barnett he will be able to test his ground game, but i think Barnett would be too much for him on the ground honestly.

So...i wish he would get Arlovski or Rogers. (I think Barnett will sub him - at lest i hope so)

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Same arguement ppl made against Cain, that he hadnt fought anybody yet. Well you dont fight top guys til you fight top guys, all we can go on now is who he has fought and he has looked spectatular in all his fights and proved he has a chin in one of them. Much like Cain before he fought the top dogs.
Agreed. But looking back on Cain's run, it's so much easier to talk about him.
Even though many people said he will be champion.
It's not like he got the title because his name is Velasquez. He fought for that belt. And pretty much destroyed everyone he faced.
And he didn't face top contenders straight away. He made his way up the rankings by fighting and beating the fighters who were ranked higher than him.

Del Rosario should follow the same path.

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Feel free to bump this if im wrong in the future. No hard feelings, i respect your opinion and respectfully disagree.
I don't bump threads or stuff like that...
If i'm wrong and you're right...that's that.

Over my time here on MMAF - breaking down fights, debating styles and strategies, talking about how one fighter should/will fight against another one - i have learned one thing: talk is good, it's great even - but, on fight night, it desn't mean much.
Because, we're not the ones fighting. The fighter are. And in the heat of the fight a lot of things can happen.
One mistake and all plans/strategies go out the window.

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