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Old 02-12-2007, 10:28 PM   #91 (permalink)
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there are 2 things very disapointing in this fight.

Herb gave notice to Frank after the 1st shot to the back of the neck that he shouldn't do that.. and then Frank did it again, so that deserves the DQ jsut for that!!

Second, Renzo said that he was willing to take this fight to a new level.. bla bla bla, this didn't look like a new level to me, it actually looked like a liar... he knows he was fine, and could have continued, but as the manager of Gracie said, "this is why we have rules, if we didn't have them we would have hair pulling and BITING!!!" thats what he said!!! WHAT?!?!

So again, theres 2 sides to this coin, Frank disrepected the Refs warning, and did what he did almost right after he was warned, but Gracie LOOKED at the ref and put his had up ... like saying "common ref hes not allowed to do this".. and then put his hand back down and then a split second later he layed back not wanting to continue. So Frank came to fight, and Renzo came for the money.

And BOTH lost their pride of the families!! hahah
After Frank hits Renzo on the back of his head, you can hear Renzo say "F*ck, man?". Frank keeps on doing it.

Renzo is a crazy dude, who happens to be nice as all hell. Renzo kicked Marquardt in the face after Marquardt hit Almeida. Then, Renzo goes over and is all nicey nice to Nate. Renzo rules.

YouTube - Renzo Gracie kicks Marquardt in the face
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:07 PM   #92 (permalink)
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I think Herb is one of the best refs in the game. The guy is A+. Look at Sylvia vs Mir, everyone booed him and then they showed the replay and it turns out he was right. Shamrock/Ortiz 2, everyone booed him and then Shamrock/Ortiz 3 showed everyone he was right.

Herb warned Frank and then Frank did it again and so Herb made the right decision.
yessir! people hate the guy, but he just happens to end up in the fights that have strange outcomes or odd happenstances. the guy wouldn't be the number 2 ref around and ref so many fights if he wasn't good. people just need to get their head's out of their poopshoots!
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:14 PM   #93 (permalink)
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yessir! people hate the guy, but he just happens to end up in the fights that have strange outcomes or odd happenstances. the guy wouldn't be the number 2 ref around and ref so many fights if he wasn't good. people just need to get their head's out of their poopshoots!
lol i know this is gonna piss u off when i say this..but frank shamrock is still one of my favorite fighters. haha sorry man (please dont get on my case )
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:29 PM   #94 (permalink)
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the problem was not the the knee was from the bottom but that it was to the back of the head, this is potentially devastating and can cause permanent damage. This and the fact that frank was pushing his knees off of the fence.

I say this as objectively as I can because I train BJJ under one of Renzo's students.
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:32 PM   #95 (permalink)
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not only were the knees off the back and to the back of the head, but my understanding is that frank also pushed them off of the fence which i guess is illegal as well. cannot stand frank shamrock and he got what he deserved in this fight.

I try to stay as objective as I can because I train under one of renzo's students
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:37 PM   #96 (permalink)
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lol i know this is gonna piss u off when i say this..but frank shamrock is still one of my favorite fighters. haha sorry man (please dont get on my case )
He's still my favorite fighter as well, but I can't defend Frank anymore.
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Old 02-13-2007, 12:26 AM   #97 (permalink)
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Hmm.. I was a bit disappointed with the fight. How can people say Renzo wasn't doing anything and Frank was controlling the fight? Erh, what? Renzo is still the man!
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Old 02-13-2007, 05:19 AM   #98 (permalink)
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Hey I read some post on sherdog like

"knee wasn't hard"
"renzo was faking it"

Renzo was not faking. If you seen the second knee then Renzo got knocked out from the illegal knee and his head hit the mat. Frank loaded up the knee and it looked like a very powerful shot.

Renzo was controling the the fight. Renzo was impressive. Frank acted like most shamrocks with no class instead of apologizing.
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