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post #11 of 98 (permalink) Old 02-11-2007, 12:54 AM
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There seems to be a few different threads about this show floating around, but I think I'll stick to this one. Where da moderatin' at!?

The Bennett/Noons fight was actually pretty good, and ended with an awesome knockout. I thought Bennett was hurt too, but that dude has a head full of iron. The post-fight trash talk makes him all the more entertaining.
Carano vs. Kedzie was an awesome war. Kedzie got desperate pretty early in the fight, but still managed to hang in there and take a hell of a beating. I don't think it's fully set in what the meaning of that fight has done for females in mixed martial arts. Carano is gonna make some noise. Major props to Kedzie, too.
Loiseau looked exactly like he did in his fight with Mike Swick; he looked like he didn't want to be there. I was impressed with Joe, who's last name escapes me. I've never heard of him but it's apparent he's been around for a while. Wouldn't be surprised to see him fight in the UFC.
Antonio Silva is another guy I've never heard of, but he put a hurtin' on Cabbage and put him away early. Anyone that can finish Cabbage has got to be tough.
Gracie/Shamrock started out great. It was apparent that Gracie was doing a good job of controlling Shamrock on the ground, although the Elite XC's stand-up rule kind of interfered with his game-plan. Shamrock was also doing a good job of using his striking. It's unfortunate it ended the way it did, it could have ended up being a pretty damn good fight.

Fight of the night definitely goes to Carano/Kedzie.
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Originally Posted by Bonnar426
Herb Dean warned him twice not to knee him in the head and he did it anyways. Frank screwed himself.
I've always thought herb dean was an idiot, tonight sealed it, he let renzo lay there FOREVER on top of shamronk and do NOTHING!!!!!! Zippo, and if he were so worried about the knees, He did'nt seem to worried after he finally broke up renzo just laying there, but after renzo got up and started looking funny, err IMO acting n Quitting, dean then look confused on what to do...

Hell even when they asked dean what he thought, he looked clueless and scared to answer....

I'll say it, if i did'nt know better I'd say renzo QUIT or this fight WAS rigged for Future viewers, and I'm shocked to be truthfull...

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Originally Posted by Lloyd
LOL u mean he warned him once and stood there an watched as he done it again. He could have stepped in and prevented the second one! Gracie fighting is a thing of the past. Quit hanging on! Its kinda like how Mike tyson was washed up years before anyone could accept it! Dude its a new day, Renzo was very unimpressive!
Even if you were right and Herb only warned him once that should have been enough. Shamrock didn't listen. Besides, how was Herb suppose to pervent it. Did you want him to jump in front of Renzo and take the knee shots. Or maybe you just want him to hold Frankie's hand all night long because he didn't know the rules.

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While standing in the clinch Frank threw several punches to the back of the head, was warned, threw more punches to the back of the head, and was warned some more. Then when Renzo took him down he threw MORE punches to the back of the head. Was he trying to get DQ'd?

Someone explain the decision to me. Is he DQ'd because they were knees to the head while in a down position or was he DQ'd because they were knees to the back of the head? Either way I do not understand the DQ and this is why: 1. If the rule is "NO KNEES TO THE HEAD OF A DOWN OPPONENT" there should clearly be an exception if YOU ARE ON THE BOTTOM. If the rule is no HITTING the back of the head/neck there has to be some forgiveness if the guy is turning his head. I know that this forgiveness is usually granted to punchers when their opponents turn their heads to avoid getting hit on the side of the face.

IMO it should have been declared a no contest. If I duck because I think you are throwing a punch but you are coming with an inside leg kick and you hit my groin, should you be disqualified?


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^as you explained it he broke the rules several times. several "accidents" turn into an intentional. so if he accidently kicks you in the groan, the ref will give you a moment to recover. if you can't continue i believe a DQ is what happens. but rarely does that happen as noone wants to win like that

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Sounds like Renzo was tired and was taking the win no matter how he had to get it. Laugh out friggin' loud.
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frank was winning the fight. its not too big of a deal that he got dq'd. he needs the hit to his ego. renzo put up a good effort, but the gracie way is really falling by the wayside. they're all great fighters, but other fighters have not only caught up to them, they've surpased them in ability.

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post #18 of 98 (permalink) Old 02-11-2007, 01:21 AM
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Shamrock definitely hit him with illegal blows but that second knee only hit the back of his head because he turned his head after the first one landed. I agree with ShocketTime somewhat because Herb Dean should've jumped in when the first knee was landed and issued a warning right away. I think Herb said in the post fight interview that he had warened him earlier in the fight about rabbit punches to the head but I don't think Frank was intentionally aiming at the head. Oh well...pretty dissappointing overall.

Overall tonight's EliteXc was a C at best. The best fight was the women's.
1. Noons vs. Bennett = quick KO for Bennett
2. Carano vs. Kedzie = Carano was too good but Kedzie at least fought back.
3. Loiseau vs. Villasenor = Loiseau should take a year or two off. He's just been outclassed his last 3 fights period. He doesn't fight until the last round.
4. Silva vs. Correira = Silva was too big for Cabbage. He didn't stand a chance. I know where Cabbage gets the name, he resembled a cabbage tonight. (ROUND)
5. Shamrock vs. Gracie = DQ, Gracie was doing a LNP with no GNP at all. Shamrock couldn't stop the takedown though so he was losing that fight. I don't think the "Warning" with the 15 second clock was used correctly.

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post #19 of 98 (permalink) Old 02-11-2007, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Calibretto9
Sounds like Renzo was tired and was taking the win no matter how he had to get it. Laugh out friggin' loud.
he also had a grin on his face as he was walking out the building in the post fight footage. i bet he was thinking "yay i beat frank shamrock and i didnt have to do anything thank god!" pssh

btw i wonder if frank still wants to fight for the exc despite what happened. he looked pretty pissed and probably feels screwed. idk i guess we'll have to see.

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post #20 of 98 (permalink) Old 02-11-2007, 01:27 AM
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It's too bad there's gonna be a lot of stupid, stupid talk about the main event.
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