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Old 02-11-2007, 01:27 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Renzo definitely did not quit.. You can see on the replay that Shamrock knew he hurt him. It seemed a bit 'dirty' to be kneeing to the back of the head from the bottom. Frank was getting dominated. The standup was even, and Renzo clearly won the first round. He was definitely up on points in the 2nd round as well. Renzo didn't look tired to me. He was clearly hurt from the illegal strike. If you can knee to the head of a downed opponent, all Renzo would have had to do was knee Frank's head to win. It seem odd that people say things like 'lay and gay'. Clearly you don't know very much about Jiu-Jitsu. It is a very methodical approach. My only issue with Renzo's performance was that it seemed that he easily could have mounted Frank multiple times, and didn't. He had knee on belly about 5 or 6 times, and Frank was flat on his back... Anti-Jiu-Jitsu...??? Right. More like.. getting your ass kicked by a Jiu Jitsu master.
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Old 02-11-2007, 01:34 PM   #42 (permalink)
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People sure put a LOT of empasis and stock n points on take downs, renzo got shamrock down But after thet, He just Laid on top of him like a Dead Fish, Doing NOTHING!!!!

If anything herb dean, who IMO is awful, let that crap of renzo laying there and doing Zippo go on to Loooong,This is a herb thing along with sometimes stopping fights to fast...

Again IMO, people put to much stock in take downs, they mean a Lot more when you do something with them, but taking someone down and then just laying there on top of your opponent and Doing Sh**, Squat, nada, IS'NT winning IMO, Hell shamrock did more with his knees to the sides and back, then renzo did all fight, If laying on your opponent and not doing anything and eating up time is the way to win, then renzo won big time.

I'm no fan of either but IMHO shamrock won and this fight to me at least, is the FIRST MMA fight that my eyebrows were raised with, IE it seems Smelly!!!

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Old 02-11-2007, 01:42 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I watched this last night and you could see in Renzo eyes we was out of it after those knees to the back og the head. He could barely stand up without help. Shamrock was outclassed on the ground and those knees looked intentional.

Crazy Horse was a good fight the even mentioned rampage was there and supporting him. He sure is entertaining and loves to say the word shit.

Fight of the night was definately Carano/Kedzie at fight I was like female MMA, but damn those girls were better than the guys. Excellent fight
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Old 02-11-2007, 01:48 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Awesome card. the prelims online were good too. who the f*ck was that retard running around with the mic in the prelims? Krazy Horse came in an KO Noons with a huge right. Very impessive. Carrano kicked some ass. The Crow just looked like he's not in it anymore, it's really depressing as I was rooting for him. Props to "Smokin" Joe Villasenor, he dominated. My favorite fight was Bigfoot Silva VS Cabbage. WOW! 6'4" 298lbs throwing flying knees?! I was utterly amazed and in awe. Nobody has put Cabbage down like that, and that says A LOT. I know Cabbage is a giant punching bag but they guy is as tough as anyone and NEVER an I'll say it again NEVER gets KO'ed like that.

Now Gracie vs Shamrock. Where do I start? Shamrock is a classlees pr*ck. He intentionally kneed a downed opponent in the head. Neck, back of the head, it wouldn't have mattered if he got caught flush in the jaw. Illegal move is an illegal move. Then he says that he was winning the fight and Gracie was 30 seconds from being KO'ed? (quoted from his post-fight video interview on sh*tdog.com) Come on now. Gracie was doing his thing and definitley winning the fight without a shadow of a doubt to any MMA fan. (BTW the stand-up in round 1 was bullsh*t, Gracie had his knee on Shamrock's belly either looking to mount or for an armbar) Shamrock knew he was losing I guarantee it. To say that Gracie took the easy way out is bullsh*t. His neck could be serously hurt. They put a neck brace on him for christ's sake! He took it off because of pride. At the end of the broadcast you can hear Gracie tell the EMT woman that he wouldn't get on the stretcher, no way. The man could have major neck problems. When Glazer was talking to Shamrock in the ring was I the only one that wanted someone to just kick what I think was Shamrock's wife in head? What a stupid b*tch. You can hear her call Gracie a "*****" in the background and that he "wussed out". I was just waiting for Cesar Gracie to cheap shot Frank and I woulda cheered him on. Shamrock is a classless pr*ck and nowhere near as good as he says he is and everyone now knows it.
Krazy Horse, Villasenor, & Silva impressed me a lot. Yea, Villasenor & Silva were taking on a gun shy Loiseau & current Cabbage, but they still looked awesome. Krazy Horse was fantastic in there. KO'ing Noons(Who smack talked big time pre-fight), and cutting an awesome post-fight promo. Krazy Horse is back, y'all. Hellz yea.

Frank and his wife were made for each other. No wonder Ken hasn't associated himself with Frank in almost a decade.

I was hoping for some crazy Renzo, but no go. I wanted to see Renzo kick Frank in the face like he did to Marquardt. Sadly, that did not happen. Shamrock's wife, classless as ever, has the gall to say that Renzo "wussed out". Yea, you can keep that piece of filth, Frank.
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Old 02-11-2007, 01:48 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I dunno, after watching the fight several times, I've gotta say the decision was going Renzo's way, but Shamrock was definitely causing more damage. I agree with the DQ decision - I hate that that's how it ended, but rules are rules and at any time if you break the rules, your opponent can DQ you. Honestly though, the way Shamrock was using his hands, a KO was a definite possibility. On the ground, Shamrock was causing more damage but Renzo was definitely controlling it, so yeah, I'd have given it to Gracie if the fight continued.

Ahh well, but what a way to break a no losses streak.
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:12 PM   #46 (permalink)
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people in mma put to much emphasis on getting takedowns. takedowns are only positive things if you do something once you take it to the ground. renzo didnt do much of anything on the ground. i wasn't impressed with the main event at all. it was a lay and pray clinic. the other fights on this card were pretty good actually. had it not been for the disappointing main event, elite xc would have scored a huge opening event.
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:44 PM   #47 (permalink)
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IMO, Renzo was winning the fight and the knees to the back of the head were definitely intentional. If you watch the slow-mo you can see Frank stretching Renzo's neck out to expose it, and moving his hand out of the way just as he was delivering the knee to the back of the neck. He sets it up and does it twice.
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Old 02-11-2007, 04:13 PM   #48 (permalink)
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More of Frank Shamrock being, well, Frank Shamrock...
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:04 PM   #49 (permalink)
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long story short, i couldn't get on this site for a while... so i'm just gunna post my feelings on that horrendous show put on by Shamrock...

anyone who knows **** about MMA and it's history, knows that Renzo is one classy guy... also, after watching him get his arm broke and refuse to tap... still arguing that the fight was stopped, anyone who doubts his integrity is a total moron. I've lost all respect for frank Shamrock for acting like he did... also, he obviously knew about the rules... so all his bullshit about "i'm oldschool, i came to fight" was so freaking full of crap i almost kicked my TV... i just don't understand... it's a travesty, and nobody can say Renzo wasn't controlling that fight. Frank was just laying on the ground while Renzo was working. and by the way, that stupid stand-up rule is idiotic... how is a guy supposed to work the ground if he gets the fight stood up?

all in all, if it's going to be like that all the time... MMA doesn't need Showtime!
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:21 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Frank was just laying on the ground while Renzo was working.
i think u got that one twisted around there. idk if we were watching the same fight because what i saw was frank working on the ground and renzo just laying there..
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