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Old 02-11-2007, 06:14 PM   #51 (permalink)
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i think u got that one twisted around there. idk if we were watching the same fight because what i saw was frank working on the ground and renzo just laying there..
I think it depends on how much you know about BJJ. The people who are experienced or at least train bjj don't seem to think he was just laying there. If you don't know much about bjj then I can understand why it looks like he isn't doing anything (btw - I am in no way trying to put you down. I dont mean anything personal by it).
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Old 02-11-2007, 06:16 PM   #52 (permalink)
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put it this way... phils gonna get his ass kicked for what happened last night.
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Old 02-11-2007, 06:41 PM   #53 (permalink)
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put it this way... phils gonna get his ass kicked for what happened last night.
If Frankie fights Phil Baroni like he did with Renzo last night, he is going to get his a$$ handed to him.
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Old 02-11-2007, 06:46 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I think it depends on how much you know about BJJ. The people who are experienced or at least train bjj don't seem to think he was just laying there. If you don't know much about bjj then I can understand why it looks like he isn't doing anything (btw - I am in no way trying to put you down. I dont mean anything personal by it).
its ok man i understand what u mean. nothing personal.
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Old 02-11-2007, 06:48 PM   #55 (permalink)
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put it this way... phils gonna get his ass kicked for what happened last night.
ya im pretty sure IMO that franks gonna be pissed off coming into that fight lol. which of course will make things more interesting. lets just hope we doesnt get too carried away like how ken did with tito at ufc 61.
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Old 02-11-2007, 06:57 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I also think the fence aided Shamrock's ability to deliver a knee to the back of the head. He was able to create that angle and leverage with his hips because his right foot was positioned high on the fence. If it had been Pride rules in a ring (you're not allowed to use the ropes also), they would have been put in the middle of the ring, those knees would have been legal but only landed on the side of Renzo's head, not the back of the head. And Renzo could have retaliated in kind.
I don't recall Frank going for one submission attempt while on the bottom. It looked like he was simply trying to neutralize Renzo. At the highest level it takes time to work a submission and Renzo was slowly isolating Frank's arm the first time they were stood up.
I really thought Frank Shamrock was a great fighter until he dropped out of the game when the competition started getting better. He's been out of the fight game for 7 years and claims to be undefeated in 10 years. How do you defend that? If SHAMrock does fight Phil Baroni, he will have his hands full.
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:09 PM   #57 (permalink)
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man frank woulda kncoked renzo out. at no time was he in trouble on the ground and renzo was getting hit allot on the feet, my opinion is that frank woulda kncoked renzo out.


frank looked real good with his strikes, really crisp
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:15 PM   #58 (permalink)
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frank woulda and shoulda won.
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:19 PM   #59 (permalink)
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i think u got that one twisted around there. idk if we were watching the same fight because what i saw was frank working on the ground and renzo just laying there..
honestly, if you couldn't see Renzo working for position, then i'm not sure you're too versed on BJJ. frank kept on tossing light knees into Renzo's side, but wasn't doing anything to escape Renzo's sidemount. also, Renzo was working for position, as well as keeping Frank on the ground--not like he needed to work hard at that though.
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:22 PM   #60 (permalink)
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I also think the fence aided Shamrock's ability to deliver a knee to the back of the head. He was able to create that angle and leverage with his hips because his right foot was positioned high on the fence. If it had been Pride rules in a ring (you're not allowed to use the ropes also), they would have been put in the middle of the ring, those knees would have been legal but only landed on the side of Renzo's head, not the back of the head. And Renzo could have retaliated in kind.
I don't recall Frank going for one submission attempt while on the bottom. It looked like he was simply trying to neutralize Renzo. At the highest level it takes time to work a submission and Renzo was slowly isolating Frank's arm the first time they were stood up.
I really thought Frank Shamrock was a great fighter until he dropped out of the game when the competition started getting better. He's been out of the fight game for 7 years and claims to be undefeated in 10 years. How do you defend that? If SHAMrock does fight Phil Baroni, he will have his hands full.
i caught that to. how are you truly undefeated in 10 years if you haven't fought once in 7? come on... anyone who isn't aware of the shamrock's just doesn't get it. listen to what Ken said to Tito after their last fight... he said; "you know we made a lot of money together". the shamrmocks, all of them, are about getting paid. they don't really care about their records, only getting in the spotlight and getting in the main events, which they always are! Frank is just a scumbag who cheapens the integrity of the sport!
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