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post #61 of 98 (permalink) Old 02-11-2007, 08:56 PM
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i caught that to. how are you truly undefeated in 10 years if you haven't fought once in 7? come on... anyone who isn't aware of the shamrock's just doesn't get it. listen to what Ken said to Tito after their last fight... he said; "you know we made a lot of money together". the shamrmocks, all of them, are about getting paid. they don't really care about their records, only getting in the spotlight and getting in the main events, which they always are! Frank is just a scumbag who cheapens the integrity of the sport!
Amen to that! I can't believe some of the posters here are trashing Renzo saying he is some washed up hack. What the hell is Frank Shamrock? Renzo goes out thier and takes on men like Carlos Newton, Pat Militech, and BJ Penn? Frank Shamrock disappeared for seven years and comes back to face some nobody. He is def overrated!

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Let's look at Renzo & Frank's past opponents in the last 7 years.

Renzo: Tamura, Sakuraba, Henderson, Ohara, Oyama, Newton(Twice), Penn, Miletich, and Frankie.

Frank: Elvis Sinosic, Bryan Pardoe, Cesar Gracie, and Renzo.

Renzo may not have the best record around, but he fights quality opponents.

Frank still touts himself as the greatest, and has only faced 2 quality opponents(Sinosic & Renzo) in the past 7 years.

I will say that Frank did look pretty good standing. Probably the best he has ever looked. Sadly, he couldn't defend a takedown to save his life, and let Renzo control him. That is not a good sign for someone who still thinks he's the greatest.

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Let's look at Renzo & Frank's past opponents in the last 7 years.

Renzo: Tamura, Sakuraba, Henderson, Ohara, Oyama, Newton(Twice), Penn, Miletich, and Frankie.

Frank: Elvis Sinosic, Bryan Pardoe, Cesar Gracie, and Renzo.

Renzo may not have the best record around, but he fights quality opponents.

Frank still touts himself as the greatest, and has only faced 2 quality opponents(Sinosic & Renzo) in the past 7 years.

I will say that Frank did look pretty good standing. Probably the best he has ever looked. Sadly, he couldn't defend a takedown to save his life, and let Renzo control him. That is not a good sign for someone who still thinks he's the greatest.
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Amen to that! I can't believe some of the posters here are trashing Renzo saying he is some washed up hack. What the hell is Frank Shamrock? Renzo goes out thier and takes on men like Carlos Newton, Pat Militech, and BJ Penn? Frank Shamrock disappeared for seven years and comes back to face some nobody. He is def overrated!
Renzo is far from washed up... and a sleak physique don't make Shamrock a good fighter. his strikes were solid, but he had no takedown defense, nothing to offer on the ground and blatantly threw knees into Renzo's kneck... anyone who defends Shamrock in this deal has no knowledge of MMA's history and of the people/familys involved!!!

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^Agreed. Renzo's the little engine that could. He can still go, and isn't that washed up. Hell, I'd say Frank is more washed up than Renzo, because Renzo still goes in and proves his worth.

Shamrock is a good fighter(Was once a great fighter), but he(And the people who still buy into his bullshit) thinks he's the god of MMA. Sorry, Frankie, you're not.

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Renzo's the little engine that could. He can still go, and isn't that washed up. Hell, I'd say Frank is more washed up than Renzo, because Renzo still goes in and proves his worth.

Shamrock is a good fighter(Was once a great fighter), but he(And the people who still buy into his bullshit) thinks he's the god of MMA. Sorry, Frankie, you're not.
he was never a god of MMA... he took advantage of the times, which back them, was barely what the sport is today... he was more a Pancrase fighter than he ever was an MMA guy... it's all the classic Shamrock overhype for compensation of lacking skill!

just another example of how much bigger the Shamrock family's mouths are than their talent!

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^^ thats partially true but dont be talkin like shamrock is a total bum or anything


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^^ thats partially true but dont be talkin like shamrock is a total bum or anything
he had his moments in MMA, but he's very far from Legend status... besides... how can you take 7 years off, claim to be undefeated in that time off, and take credit for being a legend? the guy is a self proported legend, nobody who knows anytying about MMA would call him that. he's a staple figure in MMA's early and middle history, but legend? no, sorry...

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he had his moments in MMA, but he's very far from Legend status... besides... how can you take 7 years off, claim to be undefeated in that time off, and take credit for being a legend? the guy is a self proported legend, nobody who knows anytying about MMA would call him that. he's a staple figure in MMA's early and middle history, but legend? no, sorry...
well he has had more and better accomplishments than ken and kens a hall of famer and legend. so IMO i think frank is a legend. after all he was the first complete mma fighter for all of the fighters of today.
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well he has had more and better accomplishments than ken and kens a hall of famer and legend. so IMO i think frank is a legend. after all he was the first complete mma fighter for all of the fighters of today.
Ken is a "legend" because he was around from the start and is recongized for that... but he's in no way "one of the best fighters ever". legend is all well and good, but he'd never stand up to the cream of the crop comparitively! And what better accomplishments has Frank had over Ken? not being a ****, just can't compile a list...

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