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Black Guy 02-11-2007 12:24 AM

Shamrock vs. Gracie
 
i wish i seen this!! i was watchin the play by play on sherdog...they said Gracie took first round, then in second round, Frank lands two knees to Renzo's head while on the ground...and Frank gets dusqualified!! FRANK LOST THE BOUT!! im so happy! but i wish i saw it..

TKOSPIKE 02-11-2007 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by One_Love
i watched it and i dont think he did it on purpose.
Shamrock would have won imo.

agree. IMO it wasnt intentional by frank. kind of got screwed over. apparently it seems like herbs not a fan of the shamrocks. owell frank would have ended up winning anyways.

Calibretto9 02-11-2007 12:35 AM

I don't know, I didn't actually see it but from what I read it didn't really sound like an illegal maneuver. Seems retarded to not be able to knee to the head when you're in side mount. It's not realistic nor does it let fighters utilize all of their abilities. Many rules make sense (No gouging, hair pulling, small joint manipulation) for fighter safety, but things like that (And the UFC's "no kneeing downed opponents) are kind of retarded in my opinion.

It seems like the better fighter lost because of a technicality. Ah well, if Gracie can be proud of that win than that's sad for him.

Bonnar426 02-11-2007 12:36 AM

I'm happy Renzo won but I'd rather had seen him submit Frank instead of winning by DQ. Anti jiu jutsu my a$$, Frank needs to work on that sh*t.

buo 02-11-2007 12:40 AM

i just saw it..I don't know what the hell Shamrock was thinking...he was loosing the ground game to Renzo, so he got DQed w/ the illegal knees to the back of the head. All Frank was saying was he was "old school" and not aware of the "new" rules..really disapointing...I'm a fan of both, but the cheap shots (illegal knees)was, IMO intentional. Before the stoppage, Frank landed a few solid punches, but Renzo was able to neutralize him on the ground. I'm still iffy on the stand-up count they have...really works against bjj guys like Renzo...he was working on a submission but Herb Dean would stand em up...

baz00ca 02-11-2007 12:43 AM

well...i wanted Gracie to win to shut up Frankie...but i would rather have a clean win than a DQ. Heard they put Renzo in a neck brace but he walked out under his own steam. how hard were the knees? did they look unintentional on the replay? could it be changed to a NC later

ShockeyTime 02-11-2007 12:44 AM

Gotta Tell ya. This Smells!!!!! Shamrock won this fight, gracie gets shamrock down then proceeds to Lay on him Forever, Doing NOTHING!!!!! I Know none of us got hit but those knees looked rather harmless....

I Think one of 2 things, this fight was Smelly OR gracie QUIT!!!! gracie just layed on top of Shamrock and did NOTHING, Again this fight is either stinky or renzo Quit!!!!

TKOSPIKE 02-11-2007 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonnar426
I'm happy Renzo won but I'd rather had seen him submit Frank instead of winning by DQ. Anti jiu jutsu my a$$, Frank needs to work on that sh*t.

IMO frank would have ended up winning anyways but thats just my opinion. kinda sad that another shamrock got screwed over..by the same referee. its getting old.

Bonnar426 02-11-2007 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lloyd
Keep dreaming! Renzo was tired and quit! Shamrock got screwed!

Herb Dean warned him twice not to knee him in the head and he did it anyways. Frank screwed himself.

TKOSPIKE 02-11-2007 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ShockeyTime
Gotta Tell ya. This Smells!!!!! Shamrock won this fight, gracie gets shamrock down then proceeds to Lay on him Forever, Doing NOTHING!!!!! I Know none of us got hit but those knees looked rather harmless....

I Think one of 2 things, this fight was Smelly OR gracie QUIT!!!! gracie just layed on top of Shamrock and did NOTHING, Again this fight is either stinky or renzo Quit!!!!

yeah im thinking the same thing.


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