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Old 04-12-2011, 12:09 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Just say u are not a fan of SF and keep it moving.The mere fact that SF is held in cung lee's san jose made him the face of the org at one point..
What have lawler or miller done that has earned them the right to face anderson?

"I think these fighters have done more significant things in their careers" except never becoming middle weight champion which cung has or didnt u know that..He doesnt fight at MW anymore.But if he were to ever go to ufc that would be his best chance at success cuz hed get eaten up by l&ps in griffin/bader/rashad/phil davis and destroyed by jackson/jones
You are absolutely correct at one point cung le was the face of Strikeforce, and that was three years ago. That's like saying the winner of the Strikeforce HW tournament should fight Randy Couture because he was the HW champ and face of the organization 3 years ago. When did Cung le stop being a MW? He's never fought at another weight. Really the Strikeforce title meant something? He beat an over the hill Frank Shamrock who won it in a fight with Phil Baroni who hasn't been relevant this decade. The other guys I mentioned have beaten good fighters. Le has never done that. He doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as Silva.
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Old 04-12-2011, 12:35 AM   #22 (permalink)
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The strikeforce event wasn't done "zuffa style" it was presented in the same fashion as all of the strikeforce Events on showtime in the past 2 years. The zuffa buyout had absolutely nothing to do with the production values or awesome in ring action that accompanied the event. There have been plenty of solid SF events like this such as Fedor vs Silva, Henderson vs Babalu 2, Heavy Artillery, Fedor vs Werdum...

A question for the OP is did you watch strikeforce before the zuffa purchase or were you a UFC loyalist? I ask this because it comes across to me that you're implying the Diaz vs Daley event was somehow "special" because of zuffa's involvement which is absolutely not the case.
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Old 04-12-2011, 01:45 PM   #23 (permalink)
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The strikeforce event wasn't done "zuffa style" it was presented in the same fashion as all of the strikeforce Events on showtime in the past 2 years. The zuffa buyout had absolutely nothing to do with the production values or awesome in ring action that accompanied the event. There have been plenty of solid SF events like this such as Fedor vs Silva, Henderson vs Babalu 2, Heavy Artillery, Fedor vs Werdum...

A question for the OP is did you watch strikeforce before the zuffa purchase or were you a UFC loyalist? I ask this because it comes across to me that you're implying the Diaz vs Daley event was somehow "special" because of zuffa's involvement which is absolutely not the case.
it would do you well to read to OP again.

Dana White expressed on its interviews that the UFC would give Showtime advice on how they produce so they can put up a better show, the OP asks if we saw any differences now that they could have happened.

to answer that, no, i didn't see much of a difference except for some UFC footage, the show had a much bigger vibe though with Jake Shields coming to hype up his fight with GSP and the whole merger deal.
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:06 PM   #24 (permalink)
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At least the Jacare match has some merit, and Jacare's stand up is way better than Leites/Maia. Le isn't close to the most accomplished MW at strikeforce. Is this Gus johnson?
Jacare has only one useful weapon in his offensive repetouire standing, the jab. When he fought Mayhem (#2) at Dream 16, he was able to land it regularly, but Mayhem was still better on the feet.

While Mayhem is a pretty good stand up fighter, he's nothing compared to Silva. And Jacare had the same plan for both of them, takedown, submit. Mayhem was winning soundedly before throwing an illegal soccer kick though.

Moral: Silva would beat the snot out of Jacare along the same lines as Maia and Leites. Beatdown, but don't follow the knockdown.
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The strikeforce event wasn't done "zuffa style" it was presented in the same fashion as all of the strikeforce Events on showtime in the past 2 years. The zuffa buyout had absolutely nothing to do with the production values or awesome in ring action that accompanied the event. There have been plenty of solid SF events like this such as Fedor vs Silva, Henderson vs Babalu 2, Heavy Artillery, Fedor vs Werdum...

A question for the OP is did you watch strikeforce before the zuffa purchase or were you a UFC loyalist? I ask this because it comes across to me that you're implying the Diaz vs Daley event was somehow "special" because of zuffa's involvement which is absolutely not the case.
Ha-ha, I've been following Strikeforce for quite a few years now and am well aware of their successes and their failures. You've misread my post, which I thought was actually quite simple. All I asked was whether under the Zuffa banner, anyone noticed any changes in production that may have been more akin to a UFC like presentation. As was stated a couple of posts up, and by myself many a time, Dana has said that elements of UFC's style will begin to sneak their way into SF presentations, and I was merely inquiring as to whether anyone noticed any changes in that regard. Simple and harmless, so relax... this is one 'UFC loyalist' you don't have to jump on. I don't see how anyone could even read my post as an implication that UFC's presence somehow made this event a special one to begin with, as nothing along those lines is even in there.
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Old 04-13-2011, 02:08 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Ha-ha, I've been following Strikeforce for quite a few years now and am well aware of their successes and their failures. You've misread my post, which I thought was actually quite simple. All I asked was whether under the Zuffa banner, anyone noticed any changes in production that may have been more akin to a UFC like presentation. As was stated a couple of posts up, and by myself many a time, Dana has said that elements of UFC's style will begin to sneak their way into SF presentations, and I was merely inquiring as to whether anyone noticed any changes in that regard. Simple and harmless, so relax... this is one 'UFC loyalist' you don't have to jump on. I don't see how anyone could even read my post as an implication that UFC's presence somehow made this event a special one to begin with, as nothing along those lines is even in there.
I knew that my post would come across like I was being a dick and I know we've even had this conversation before psycho, but trust me, this is just the way I formulate sentences and I guess my words come across dickish but that's just how I type. I don't see how you guys pull intent out of typed words but I guess I'll just have to be the forum dick because that's how I come across apparently.

I understood your post, the reason I said what I did was because anyone who's been watching strikeforce since 2009 would know that there was absolutely no difference between this broadcast when compared to the Pre-zuffa broadcasts. The only difference as someone else mentioned was the usage of ufc footage for the Keith jardine montage. I simply assumed the this was a zuffa nuthugger post for the reason that it's easy for anyone who has seen 1 or 2 SF events that there was no difference.

I don't see many big changes on the horizon either, I think they do their thing and it's all fine and good. The only thing I'd like to see changed is the announce team...mauro and frank shamrock do nothing but piss me off and cause me to look at whoever is sitting next to me with a "are these guys retarded?" look on my face.
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