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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 05-04-2011, 10:07 PM
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Muai thai hands down. Its kickboxing on steriods



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Muai thai hands down. Its kickboxing on steriods

Muay Thai isn't the best. It's way too legs-orientated. It's because Muay Thai matches are judged much heavier on kicks, they don't spent enough time boxing to be able to defend against boxing.


I came to this realization just under a year ago, after studying and practicing muay thai like a religion for 3+ years. It was sort of a hard pill to swallow but dutch/holland style kickboxing is simply the more effective style in a limited rules environment.

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Muay Thai isn't the best. It's way too legs-orientated. It's because Muay Thai matches are judged much heavier on kicks, they don't spent enough time boxing to be able to defend against boxing.


I came to this realization just under a year ago, after studying and practicing muay thai like a religion for 3+ years. It was sort of a hard pill to swallow but dutch/holland style kickboxing is simply the more effective style in a limited rules environment.
Agreed mostly. Alot depends on who you train under also.



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Without takedowns, kickboxing.

With takedowns, boxing.

Weird way to put it but the context isn't given in terms of rules.


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Its nice in theory to think that we are there but the top trainers in sports like kickboxing and boxing are vastly more refined due to the years of work put in before them. MMA is not at that level which is why guys like GSP still seek out the likes of Freddie Roach. It will be a long time before MMA is at the level many fans would like to believe the sport has reached. The other problem lies in that different physical traits and abilities as well as the other skills they possess as a fighter. Brock Lesnar is never gonna be throwing head kicks, his body type is better suited to traditional boxing. We will see mma striking develop in its own right but they will always remain ties to the traditional arts and they will use those to refine and perfect them on a fighter by fighter level.
Yep.

As for the best, I would say you need a combination of boxing technique for your hands, Muay Thai leg kicks and the Muay Thai clinch would be the ultimate if you could combine all 3, which Anderson Silva has to some extent.
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The good answer: whatever style your athleticism and personal style can utilize best.



the real answer: dutch-style kickboxing.



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I know what you guys are saying but if you had to pick one art out of all the others what would it be? Think about it the thais first started losing when good boxers fought them than they adopted the western boxing techniques and methods.
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I know what you guys are saying but if you had to pick one art out of all the others what would it be? Think about it the thais first started losing when good boxers fought them than they adopted the western boxing techniques and methods.
If I was only allowed to know one Martial Art out of all of the Arts in the entire world. I would have to go with Dutch Kickboxing.

Its incorporated the aspects of footwork and head movement MT lacks and boxing thrives on, while its incorporated the leg kicks, which are non existent in American Kickboxing, and are the achilles heel of pure Boxing.

Again, this is more just playing the devils advocate by saying if all things were equal and all fighter skill was exactly the same.



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for me best the style is a mix of boxing with quick feet and muay thai.
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You have to discipline yourself within an art and hack away the unessential, when a sculpture sculpts, does he add on more? No, he keeps hacking away until the true nature of the sculpture is revealed.
That sounds logic at first glance, but in reality it isn't. By hacking away everything unessential in martial arts you will also lose the expectation of the unessential from your opponent and thereby can easier be surprised by any non-standard attack. And you give up any surprising attacks yourself. If you know the essentials and your opponent knows the essentials you equalize each other, but if one of you knows some unessentials stuff in addition, he's going to have the edge.

The problem with most so called "traditional martial arts" or better said with a lot of their practitioners is that they are too much in love with the unessentials (i.e. flashy moves) and have too much of a focus on that in their training.

The "art" for good training is to find the right balance. Yes, you should have the focus on the essentials and use the majority of your training on these, BUT you should not get a tunnel vision and only train the essentials, but always use a small amount of time to look beyond the essentials so you will be prepared for what could come else and also to have a "surprise" attack in your own arsenal.

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Its nice in theory to think that we are there but the top trainers in sports like kickboxing and boxing are vastly more refined due to the years of work put in before them. MMA is not at that level which is why guys like GSP still seek out the likes of Freddie Roach. It will be a long time before MMA is at the level many fans would like to believe the sport has reached.
I would go even further and say it will never reach that "final" level. I think fighting and MMA is too complex for fighters to really master all aspects of it. So there will always be an evolution or at least a change of focus.

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The other problem lies in that different physical traits and abilities as well as the other skills they possess as a fighter. Brock Lesnar is never gonna be throwing head kicks, his body type is better suited to traditional boxing. We will see mma striking develop in its own right but they will always remain ties to the traditional arts and they will use those to refine and perfect them on a fighter by fighter level.
That is very true also.
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