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post #21 of 27 (permalink) Old 06-13-2011, 11:00 PM
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Compared to other nationalities there are a lot of brazillian MMA fighters in the US.

so there is no need to end the thread
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Here is the list of fighters going off the UFC website,

Edson Barboza
Rafael Dos Anjos
Charles Oliveira
Rafaello Oliveira
Thiago Tavares
Gleison Tibau



Demian Maia
Rafael Natal
Rousimar Palhares
Wanderlei Silva
Anderson Silva
Jorge Santiago


Now going off these numbers the poser above looks correct unfortunately there are a lot of fighters who end up being used for largely enhancement talent that don't stick around long enough to hold a spot on the available roster.

Lets go by events.

UFC 131

Out of 24 fighters 4 were Brazillian or 16.6%
On main card 4 of 10 were Brazillian or 40%

UFC 130

4 of 24 or 16.%
2 of 10 on main card 20%

UFC 129

Only featured 2 Brazillians but Canadian cards are typically stacked with Canadian fighters especially in the East were the majority of Canadian fighters reside. Still 8.3%

UFC 128

6 of 24 or 25%

As you can see on an event by event basis those numbers drastically increase. Exceptions are mostly for fight nights when they want to keep costs down for international flights (cornermen and fighter flight aren't cheap.) and cards were local fighters are heavily featured,

Works out to an average of 16% of PPV event fighters are Brazilian while the country makes up less than 2.8% of the worlds population.

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My theory is they all want to get closer to the midget porn action and who could blame them?
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post #25 of 27 (permalink) Old 06-14-2011, 12:28 AM
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Had a proper look at the UFC roster and here's the spread based on nationality.

America: 165 (62.3%)
Canada: 15 (5.7%)
UK: 12 (4.5%)
Europe: 18 (6.8%)
Asia: 12 (4.5%)
Brazil: 32 (12.1%)
Other: 11 (4.1%)

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post #26 of 27 (permalink) Old 06-14-2011, 02:37 AM
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Because, lest we forget, the sport comes from Brazil. People want to say we get it from Pankration, from the Greeks, but the direct, immediate ancestor of today's MMA tradition speaks Portuguese and surfs.

The reality is, modern MMA emerges out of the great Gracie infomercial, and while people talk about UFC 1 as that infomercial, it existed in Brazil far longer. Rickson vs. Rei Zulu was a big deal for the Brazilian martial arts community, and they did embrace jiu-jitsu and full contact fighting into their culture much faster than the rest of the world.

I think that's the easy, superficial answer.

But I think that a lot of the MMA narratives also have to take into account that many of the fighters in MMA do it to get off the streets. Just like in the boxing narratives throughout the history of the sport, so many guys get into the sport because it was a way to make money when they didn't have access to a lot of resources, besides a community gym.

I'm not saying that's more true in Brazil than in the U.S. There are so many stories of guys who got into MMA because they needed a way to pay bills and didn't want to work dead-end jobs the rest of their lives. Not all of those are success stories.

I do think that the first explanation does a good job explaining why a lot of guys in Brazil turned to MMA, rather than [American] football or boxing. It's a part of culture there in a way that it wasn't in the U.S. until fairly recently.

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Works out to an average of 16% of PPV event fighters are Brazilian while the country makes up less than 2.8% of the worlds population.
It's interesting to point out that brazilians make up far more of the UFC than they do part of the world, but part of that is due to recruiting bias. The UFC has had a great deal more success recruiting from Brazil than from other parts of the world. They have, historically, struggled to recruit from Europe and Asia, despite those regions producing a solid number of fighters that are of the proper caliber.

I'm not sure its reasonable to use the UFC as the best way to make that point. I happen to agree with the factual statement of the conclusion (there are many more Brazilian MMA fighters than, for example, Chinese MMA fighters, despite China being a much larger country, and producing a number of stellar athletes). There have been two countries which have produced more world champions than any other in MMA: the U.S. and Brazil.

Brazil is impressive, in that it is a country that is considered significant strictly in terms of its production of athletes. The U.S. also houses the largest promoters, managers and one of the largest consumer markets for the sport, so the proliferation of athletes in the United States can be easily explained, and the success of athletes is explained by the abundance of training resources.

Brazil does require some explanation, but I feel that much of that explanation has been offered already.

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BJ Penn addressed this in his book when he talked of trainin at Nova Uniao. He said the guys he trained fighting was part of the culture, some fought as a means to get out of the ghetto's some fought to stay.

As a Canadian who has never been there it has always been my understanding that fighting (not mma) is a lot more ingrained in society in Brazil and as such people look to become better fighters. MMA just kinda happens.
It's like that in Hawaii, fighting is ingrained in the culture, so MMA seems like a natural progression.
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