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Old 06-17-2011, 10:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Where exactly are these amazing leg kicks coming from? Overeem is the guy who gets legkicked not the guy who leg kicks. Show me one fight where his leg kick were a factor?


The funny part here is, even though I'm confident JDS would be the one stalking Overeem and being way quicker to the punch, JDS could also take Overeem down at will if the fight was going differently. But there's no way Overeem comes close to taking Cigano down.
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Old 06-17-2011, 10:30 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I reckon JDS would knock Reem out.
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Err... let me get this straight...

Reem is a professional Kickboxer... ie. professional striker.
Not only did he compete in K1, but he won the grand prix...

...and yet JDS is the better striker

Reem has fought the best pure strikers in the world... and yet JDS is the better striker of the two (!?!?)

yeah, I simply cannot agree
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Err... let me get this straight...

Reem is a professional Kickboxer... ie. professional striker.
Not only did he compete in K1, but he won the grand prix...

...and yet JDS is the better striker

Reem has fought the best pure strikers in the world... and yet JDS is the better striker of the two (!?!?)

yeah, I simply cannot agree
Alot of the guys Overeem beat in K-1 were also better strikers, Overeem does good because he hits and people go down. The Reem is a great striker by mma standards but in K-1? He is kinda like the Brock Lesnar of kickboxing.

Its really hard to gauge JDS/Overeem as a stand up fight because we are fully aware that while beatable The Reem can stand with somebody of JDS's caliber but we have not seen JDS fight anyone with the caliber of stand up that Overeem has.
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Old 06-17-2011, 11:31 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm just lol'ing at the statement that K1 Grand Prix winner Allistair Overeem wouldn't be up to snuff in the striking department against the UFC's best.

The high level strikers in the UFC include JDS, and then.....

Dave Herman? Hell of a talent, but he uses his face to block punches, which would be a really good strategy against Ubereem.

Pat Barry? Ubereem is much more physically gifted and had the much more impressive wins in kickboxing.

Cain is a strong striker, for a wrestler. He wins more because he's a mixed martial artist in the truest sense. Of course he was going to look like a striking wizard against Brock and Minotauro. Brock's not very fluid or technical, while Minotauro never was a good striker and is over the hill now.

There isn't much to speak of for high level strikers in the UFC's heavyweight division. It's a wrestler heavy roster. That's why JDS has been undefeated so far with plus striking in conjunction w/ TDD. It's the same formula that Arlovski used to win his last 5 in the UFC and/or against current members of their roster, and BTW he beat the same and a little tougher comp in that span than JDS has during his streak. Then Arlovski immediately subsequent went on to lose four straight to members of the Strikeforce HW tournament. The striking and overall level is just higher in Strikeforce, and if Reem ends up faring well there, certainly he would in the UFC. The question is will Dana wait until Reem and the other Strikeforce guys have been through the wars and are well in their 30's so the UFC members can make their names off them ala Cro Cop and Nog.

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Striking-wise, the guy is the best in MMA. On the feet, I don't see anyone having much luck against him if they weren't to threaten him with TDs (ala Cain Velasquez's stand-up style).

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LOL at Cain being hard to hit. That guy gets puched in the face quite a bit. But because he has a ton of heart and cardio he just walks through them usually.
... really? I know you're referring to Kongo, but he's improved tenfold since then. His standup against Nog was flawless, as well as his destruction of Brock. Looking forward to see how he does against another high-level striker in JDS.
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Err... let me get this straight...

Reem is a professional Kickboxer... ie. professional striker.
Not only did he compete in K1, but he won the grand prix...

...and yet JDS is the better striker

Reem has fought the best pure strikers in the world... and yet JDS is the better striker of the two (!?!?)

yeah, I simply cannot agree
JDS is the Brazilian professional heavyweight kickboxing champion, undefeated.

He also knocked Yvel out in two minutes - Remy Bonjasky's key sparring partner.



Mousasi also beat the K-1 HW champion, I guess he would beat JDS too.
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JDS is the Brazilian professional heavyweight kickboxing champion, undefeated.
Obviously the competition doesn't near compare to who Overeem has beaten in kickboxing (and to a lesser extent MMA).

That doesn't mean JDS wouldn't wind up proving to be the better striker/mixed martial artist, because you can only beat who you face, but I'll go with the guy who has already shown his abilities against higher level competition. Also, the guy who possesses a 4-5 inch reach advantage. Having a long reach among your attributes is vital to being the top fighter in your division across MMA. GSP, JBJ, Anderson, Aldo, Cruz, and Edgar all have significantly above average reaches for their respective divisions.

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Where exactly are these amazing leg kicks coming from? Overeem is the guy who gets legkicked not the guy who leg kicks. Show me one fight where his leg kick were a factor?


The funny part here is, even though I'm confident JDS would be the one stalking Overeem and being way quicker to the punch, JDS could also take Overeem down at will if the fight was going differently. But there's no way Overeem comes close to taking Cigano down.
Yeah, The Reem has never thrown a kick in his life apparently. Carwin landed leg kicks on JDS shut up about how he is so fast no one can hit him fat slow gassed Roy Nelson landed on him a bunch of times. He is quick for a HW Badr Hari is about 50 times faster and more skilled than JDS and Overeem landed on him.

I love how people in this thread are acting like Overeem is Carwin. Overeem has high level technique as well as power. He went to decision in a close match with Remy and a lot of people thought he won. You don't do that with poor skills. He isn't just some KO artist he picked Aerts apart and nearly beat him to death in the ring twice. JDS is not a better striker than him he is a more technical offensive boxer and the gap in boxing isn't nearly as large as the advantage Overeem has in MT.

This isn't a biased evaluation either JDS is my favorite HW fighter not Overeem. You people just need to snap back to reality. I think the fight would be a toss up between the two and really only because Overeem has shown that he can be put away several times and JDS hasn't.
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Old 06-18-2011, 12:19 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Obviously the competition doesn't near compare to who Overeem has beaten in kickboxing (and to a lesser extent MMA).

That doesn't mean JDS wouldn't wind up proving to be the better striker/mixed martial artist, because you can only beat who you face, but I'll go with the guy who has already shown his abilities against higher level competition. Also, the guy who possesses a 4-5 inch reach advantage. Having a long reach among your attributes is vital to being the top fighter in your division across MMA. GSP, JBJ, Anderson, Aldo, Cruz, and Edgar all have significantly above average reaches for their respective divisions.

If you're gonna play the competition card that opens up a big can of worms regarding Overeem when his best wins of recent are Todd Duffee and Brett Rogers. Hell Overeem's toughest and biggest fight in years is against a guy JDS knocked out in seconds.


The reach thing is silly too. Edgar has a tiny reach even for his division. Aldo's reach is totally average, so is Cruz. JDS' reach was a lot less than Carwin's and he still easily beat him to the punch and outjabbed him.


edit: Carwin lands one kick to JDS' ass and one kick to his leg and that's why Overeem would beat him? That's absurd. Who has Overeem outstruck at heavyweight IN THE SPORT WE'RE DISCUSSING?


Again, Mousasi beat the K1 heavyweight champ. And Kongo is a world muay thai champion but look how Mir dropped him. And if you want to talk about Overeem in K1, watch Saki light Overeem up and tool him with ONE ARM before the ref stopped it due to his injury.



How about we put this topic on hold until tomorrow when Overeem finally fights some real competition worth discussing.
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