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Old 06-18-2011, 12:25 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Carwin is a job at Sam's Club away from being Brett Rogers.
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Old 06-18-2011, 12:30 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Where exactly are these amazing leg kicks coming from? Overeem is the guy who gets legkicked not the guy who leg kicks. Show me one fight where his leg kick were a factor?


The funny part here is, even though I'm confident JDS would be the one stalking Overeem and being way quicker to the punch, JDS could also take Overeem down at will if the fight was going differently. But there's no way Overeem comes close to taking Cigano down.
JDS stalking Overeem?? I seriously doubt that. Overeem would take that as a chance to swing power punches and i guarantee its JDS that would drop. JDS didnt even do a great job stalking a beaten Carwin and Carwin is 1/10th the striker overeem is. Also JDS has better wrestling but Overeem is much stronger. He might get Overeem down but its going to be anything but at will.

I find Overeem to be alot more awkward on his feet BUT he finds success. Im giving Overeem the nodge with taking the W on 2 out of 3 fights.
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Old 06-18-2011, 12:32 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Carwin is a job at Sam's Club away from being Brett Rogers.

Maybe if Rogers had KO'd Bigfoot, nearly murdered Werdum in rd 1, and then put a beating on the defending champion for the first time in his career, sure.
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Old 06-18-2011, 12:37 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Maybe if Rogers had KO'd Bigfoot, nearly murdered Werdum in rd 1, and then put a beating on the defending champion for the first time in his career, sure.
So does everything you read just end up looking like Junior Dos Santos?

Carwin and Rogers both have 1 big win against guys with a history of having weak chins and a bunch of KO wins over cans. Rogers fight with Fedor was as impressive as Carwin punching Brock in the arms a bunch of times.

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Old 06-18-2011, 12:45 AM   #25 (permalink)
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JDS is the Brazilian professional heavyweight kickboxing champion, undefeated.
But being a Brazillian hw champ is a far cry from being a K1 grand prix champ.

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He also knocked Yvel out in two minutes - Remy Bonjasky's key sparring partner.
Seriously going to try to use a 'sparring partner' as an equivalent? geeze, you gotta do better than that.

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Mousasi also beat the K-1 HW champion, I guess he would beat JDS too.
LOL, Mousasi fought a past prime Musashi... not the same thing as a full tourney of pro hw kickboxers.

Im not saying JDS is a push over in the striking department...but I dont think he would be as dominant vs Reem as people are making him out to be in this thread

EDIT: I think Reems fight vs Werdum will shed some light on his striking ability
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He also knocked Yvel out in two minutes - Remy Bonjasky's key sparring partner.
Sir! Nay!

To even mention Gilbert Yvel in the same sentence. Even separated by a "-" is to besmirch Remy Bonjasky's good name and fighting abilities. Yvel is a wild brawler who would be lucky and grateful to hand wash Bonjasky's sweaty nut guard.

Yvel is a little bitch and Bonjasky is a god! Good day sir! I said good day!

(JDS is a good striker and the better mixed martial artist, if it comes down to it we should bet on it also don't forget we have a bet on kongo/barry :P )
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Sir! Nay!

To even mention Gilbert Yvel in the same sentence. Even separated by a "-" is to besmirch Remy Bonjasky's good name and fighting abilities. Yvel is a wild brawler who would be lucky and grateful to hand wash Bonjasky's sweaty nut guard.

Yvel is a little bitch and Bonjasky is a god! Good day sir! I said good day!

(JDS is a good striker and the better mixed martial artist, if it comes down to it we should bet on it also don't forget we have a bet on kongo/barry :P )
Gilbert Yvel is a skilled kickboxer to call him a wild brawler is nothing short of ludicrous.
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Old 06-18-2011, 04:18 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Carwin is a job at Sam's Club away from being Brett Rogers.
Rogers wouldn't last 2 minutes with Carwin. I'm pretty sure you know this.
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Old 06-18-2011, 04:34 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Obviously the competition doesn't near compare to who Overeem has beaten in kickboxing (and to a lesser extent MMA).

That doesn't mean JDS wouldn't wind up proving to be the better striker/mixed martial artist, because you can only beat who you face, but I'll go with the guy who has already shown his abilities against higher level competition. Also, the guy who possesses a 4-5 inch reach advantage. Having a long reach among your attributes is vital to being the top fighter in your division across MMA. GSP, JBJ, Anderson, Aldo, Cruz, and Edgar all have significantly above average reaches for their respective divisions.
I was reading your post about guys having 4-5 reach advantages in their divisions. And I had recently watched a rerun of the Edgar vs. Maynard fight & it didn't look to me like Edgar had a big reach advantage at all.

So I did a little research on many of the top fighters in Edgars division. Here are the results.

FIGHTER & REACH

Edgar 72"
Miller 71"
Roller 72"
Pettis 72"
Sotiropoulos 72"
Henderson 70"
Guillard 71"
Castillo 71"
Edwards 73"
Cerrone 73"
Dunham 70"
Maynard 70"
Guida 69"
Stout 70"
Palaszewski 70"
Pearson 69"

I think this is a fair representation of most of the good fighters in the UFC lightweight division & Edgar doesn't have a 4-5 inch reach advantage over any of them. But I didn't include Sean Sherk who has a 65" reach....making all these guys have at least 4" on him.

I'm sure if I reasearched every fighter in the division....there would probably be a couple of others that Edgar may have a big reach advantage on...but so would most of the other guys on the list.

I'm no MMA expert & like I said....I just checked out this division because it looked to me in the fight that I recently saw a rerun of between Maynard & Edgar that Maynard had the reach advantage...& I was wrong about that.

And I'll bet your probably right on all the other fighters you mentioned having a significant reach advantage over many or most of the other guys in their respective divisions. And I also agree with you that a big reach is usually a very good advantage to have. Unless you are Antonio Margarito (73 inch reach) vs. Manny Pacquiao (67 inch reach).

And by the way......as I'm sure the folks here know....the 1st round of that Edgar vs. Maynard fight was unreal....the fact that Edgar made it out of the round taking the beating that he did.
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Dos Santos wouldn't last 2 rounds in the octagon with Overeem.

Alistair Overeems MT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JDS' boxing. I think even Overeems boxing is actually better than JDS' too. The way he slipped and countered Duffee was beautiful.

I think Overeem would quite easily cut off the cage from JDS and brutalise him up close with power punches, elbows and uberknees.

I do have concerns about Overeem's chin, but I don't think it's enough of a factor to sway my outlook on the fight.

Overeem via KO round 2.
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