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Old 06-17-2011, 07:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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If JDS was to fight overeem...

Well not really just JDS, but any top level HW striker in the UFC, i think the reem would get crushed. I just got done watching plenty overeem videos and this is what ive noticed : He has alot of power. Hes technical. And thats it, he doesnt have great footwork, his head movement is pretty good but he only uses when he sees the punch coming (as in hes not always moving his head. I believe head movement is continual, not situational). I can see jds completely outstriking reem with relative ease, just staying on the outside, using the jab, using his footwork, and hardly getting scratched. I think it would look alot like the carwin fight but not as bad of a beat down. You guys will probably rage at me for this but i dont think hes as good of a strike as acclaimed to be, or anywhere near. Hes very stiff but he does use kicks and knees its just hes not on the balls of his feet, hes on his heels. Which wouldve work a few years ago but i believe the power punching, stiff, HW strategy is almost out the window now. People like jds and cain are constantly moving and are alot harder to hit because of it. They also land more punches because of it. The war is on mmaforum. Top level UFC hw strikers > reem



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Old 06-17-2011, 07:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well not really just JDS, but any top level HW striker in the UFC, i think the reem would get crushed. I just got done watching plenty overeem videos and this is what ive noticed : He has alot of power. Hes technical. And thats it, he doesnt have great footwork, his head movement is pretty good but he only uses when he sees the punch coming (as in hes not always moving his head. I believe head movement is continual, not situational). I can see jds completely outstriking reem with relative ease, just staying on the outside, using the jab, using his footwork, and hardly getting scratched. I think it would look alot like the carwin fight but not as bad of a beat down. You guys will probably rage at me for this but i dont think hes as good of a strike as acclaimed to be, or anywhere near. Hes very stiff but he does use kicks and knees its just hes not on the balls of his feet, hes on his heels. Which wouldve work a few years ago but i believe the power punching, stiff, HW strategy is almost out the window now. People like jds and cain are constantly moving and are alot harder to hit because of it. They also land more punches because of it. The war is on mmaforum. Top level UFC hw strikers > reem



Heres a video of the brett rodgers fight :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJnsyjI2S0U
LOL at Cain being hard to hit. That guy gets puched in the face quite a bit. But because he has a ton of heart and cardio he just walks through them usually.
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JDS has better boxing than Overeem it would seem, but Overeem has kicks and more notably a great clinch game. If JDS tries to work from the outside Overeem will move forward until it turns into a proper fight. He's good enough of a striker to cut JDS off and force him into it, and that's where Overeem will be dangerous.

They are very well matched. JDS is a great boxer with good footwork and Overeem is a great kick boxer with a good clinch game.

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LOL at Cain being hard to hit. That guy gets puched in the face quite a bit. But because he has a ton of heart and cardio he just walks through them usually.
Most of the punches he takes are glancing blows. (atleast recently, he improved alot since kongo)

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JDS has better boxing than Overeem it would seem, but Overeem has kicks and more notably a great clinch game. If JDS tries to work from the outside Overeem will move forward until it turns into a proper fight. He's good enough of a striker to cut JDS off and force him into it, and that's where Overeem will be dangerous.

They are very well matched. JDS is a great boxer with good footwork and Overeem is a great kick boxer with a good clinch game.

Its hard to utilize a clinch game vs guys like jds. Just took quick and slippery to get a hold of. Yes his kick boxing is good, but jds is a counter striker. Every time he sees the leg kick coming, hell jab. and sooner or later reem will stop kicking. Great fight, but i see it being one sided.
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Overeem's only weakness on the feet is that his hands are not the most technical. However he does have the flexability of using his kicks which is a weapon JDS rarely uses and hasn't encountered too often in his UFC career. At least at the level of Overeem. IN K-1 Overeem will get outpointed on a regular basis, only to KO his opponent with his friggin insane power.

JDS has never (to my knowledge) fought an opponent with the power (and technique to back it up) of Overeem. But in every case hwere its been said "he's never faced a guy like -insert adjective-" he's won so... I would never count him out in any situation.

I see Overeem throwing tons of kicks, and looking for the KO bomb. But I see JDS countering off that kick attempt and landing jabs in the early goings and in the latter goings, power punches behind it.

I think Overeem's chin is solid and it would take a serious flurry after a flush power punch to finish him. I can see JDS taking this one by UD. But if this one is finished, I'd say Overeem takes it by probability.
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We've seen Overeem give up and crumble before aswell, admittedly JDS hasn't been put into that predicament yet but i'd fancy JDS in this fight.
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Money Mayweather says you don't know what the **** you are talking about. Constant head movement isn't real head movement and isn't good defense. The Reem implements an excellent high guard, uses the duck under to counter punch in the pocket, and moves his head every time he throws and is thrown at. That is proper boxing/kickboxing defense. Cain would get his head knocked off in under a minute if he decided to stand with Overeem he has terrible defense. JDS would get battered with kicks if he tried to fight Overeem the way he fought Carwin.
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The speed difference in JDS vs. Overeem would be like the speed difference of Frankie Edgar vs. Butterbean. Overeem is in slow motion at his new weight and JDS is the fastest guy above 220lbs.
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JDS has faster hands than overeem.

That being said overeem would stalk JDS where he would KO JDS after cutting him off or JDS would get on a bike and try to use the jab until overeem clipped him cut off his legs and knocked him out. I see JDS taking some big shots and getting brutalized the entire fight, if he can mix in a few takedowns or keep the range and survive he could beat overeem by UD with any luck.

Overeem is the best heavyweight striker in mma, but I don't think he'll ever be champ unless JDS manages to beat cain.
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