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Old 06-19-2011, 05:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Fitch has dominated everyone he has fought outside of GSP. If GSP wasn't there he would be champ. There is no other fighter in any other division who would CLEARLY be champ if the current champ was not there. GSP already beat Fitch and Penn in dominant fashion therefore they are not threats according to my system. Aldo has dominated everyone who he has fought with the exception of Hominick and I mentioned Kenny and Mendes as his moderate threats. I can't honestly see how its possible to put any MAJOR threats for Jones.

Basically this ranking system puts everything in perspective of who is the safest in the near future and Silva has a brutally obvious weakness against wrestlers. His jiu jitsu will only save him for so long.




Jon Fitch has defeated every worthwhile WW with the exception of GSP and thats what matters. The BJ Penn being a major threat is accurate ill admit that I overlooked that obvious aspect. So add 3 points to his total and replace him. But I don't feel that Silva has a better chance at holding 185 than aldo, jones, and GSP do at holding their respective divisions.



You do know Jim Miller was in the exact same boat, correct? It was millers 6th professional fight and it was Frankie's 5th professional fight. They were both freshly out of their college wrestling careers. Both fighters have evolved tremendously since then.

Cruz has Faber and Johnson as major threats along with a shitload of upcoming 135 lb talent. He's in the worse shape than any other champ at holding his title in my opinion.
So your P4P ranking system is based upon possible future events rather than what fighters have actually achieved? Look, well done for having a good crack at a logical system, I will rep you for that, however, it just does not work and no amount of defence of it from you will change that. I say again though, well done for an original idea and interesting thread. Much like your avatar Phil Baroni's career though, it is all but over.
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:15 PM   #12 (permalink)
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There are no real p4p rankings. P4P is and always will be based on pure speculation and opinions.

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Old 06-19-2011, 06:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Do people really not know what P4P means....it's not a power ranking, you don't put it in order of who is the best. It's a measure of who's skill set would take a fighter the furthest if weight and size was not an issue.

For example, Jon Jones is high on my power rankings, not in my top five in P4P because without his reach and size advantage most of his pure game is not that amazing. His striking survives with his reach and his BJJ isn't great. His wrestling is great, but one skill doesn't get you into the P4P list otherwise guys like Maia would be on it.

Power rankings and P4P are very similar but it is a measure of two completely different things. Like BJ Penn remains inside or near the top 10 of my P4P when he's not even close in my power rankings.
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:44 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Do people really not know what P4P means....it's not a power ranking, you don't put it in order of who is the best. It's a measure of who's skill set would take a fighter the furthest if weight and size was not an issue.

For example, Jon Jones is high on my power rankings, not in my top five in P4P because without his reach and size advantage most of his pure game is not that amazing. His striking survives with his reach and his BJJ isn't great. His wrestling is great, but one skill doesn't get you into the P4P list otherwise guys like Maia would be on it.

Power rankings and P4P are very similar but it is a measure of two completely different things. Like BJ Penn remains inside or near the top 10 of my P4P when he's not even close in my power rankings.
P4P means different things to different people. For me it is about what a fighter has achieved in their career in terms of opponents, titles, fighting at different weights etc. Skill and ability must be proven and tested by fighting the best. If Manny Pacquiao had stayed at 110 lbs his whole career but had the same skill set, no one would rank him P4P. It is because he fought the best at multiple weight classes that he is considered great. BJ Penn would be the example in MMA, fought the best at several weights and he achieved a lot. Sure there are guys with just as good skills, but they haven't achieved much and therefore don't deserve a P4P ranking. Just my thoughts on the P4P parametres if you will.
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