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Old 06-18-2011, 04:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The REAL pound for pound rankings

A lot of people I feel have a distorted view on the pound for pound rankings. Obviously, your pound for pound ranking is based on how well you dominate your division that you compete in. Considering this, I've devised a ranking system which goes as follows:

A major threat in your division is worth 3 points
A moderate threat in your division is worth 2 points
A minor threat in your division is worth 1 point

If you've beaten a guy who would normally be considered a threat to you, he won't be counted (unless it was an exceptionally close fight)

The lower your points the better.

Here is my top 7:

1.) Georges St. Pierre
Major threats: None.
Moderate threats: None
Minor threats: Nick Diaz.
1 pt

2.) Jose Aldo
Major threats: None.
Moderate threats: Kenny Florian, Chad Mendes
Minor threats: None.
4 pts

3.) Jon Jones
Major threats: None.
Moderate threats: Phil Davis, Rashad Evans
Minor threats: Rampage Jackson
5 pts

4.) Jon Fitch
Major threats: GSP
Moderate threats: Jake Shields
Minor threats: Nick Diaz
6 pts

5.) Anderson Silva
Major threats: Chael Sonnen
Moderate threats: Yushin Okami, Hector Lombard
Minor threats: Ronaldo Souza
8 pts

6.) Frankie Edgar
Major threats: Gray Maynard, Jim Miller
Moderate threats: None.
Minor Threats: Guida, Henderson, Pettis, Sherk, Guillard, Siver, Alvarez, Melendez
14 pts

7.) Cain Velasquez
Major Threats: JDS, Overeem
Moderate Threats: Mir, Barnett, Carwin
Minor Threats: Werdum, Fedor, Schaub
15 pts

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Old 06-18-2011, 04:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I really like the Idea but I think you need to modify it a little more.

Give points for dominance especially on how people win their fights (Anderson Silva)

Anderson has beaten his major threat already. And he doesn't have a license to fight and probably won't ever fight again against Silva.

Jones has many major threats, like Machida, Rampage and Evans. Considering Shogun still wasn't healthy, he is also a threat. Jones gets points for how dominant he is.

Aldo maybe Florian.

Fitch would lose points based on many UD's. GSP as well but still get points for dominance.
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Old 06-18-2011, 04:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't get how u can rank fitch,aldo,gsp, Jones all higher than silva...
GSP has fitch,bj penn,diaz
Aldo-has kflo,mendes
Jones has- machida,rampage,forrest,henderson,silva, pretty much the enitre lhw
Silva-has who okami, then sonnen (who's career is unsure right now)...all he has to do is beat okami in which he should and he has cleared out the mw division AGAIN.
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Old 06-18-2011, 04:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Fitch just drew with BJ, id say he is a mjor threat.
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Old 06-18-2011, 04:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Fitch just drew with BJ, id say he is a mjor threat.
i would say bj is one to.
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Old 06-18-2011, 04:59 PM   #6 (permalink)
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A ranking system that has John Fitch above Anderson Silva is clearly falwed.

John Fitch

A man who has been tooled by the champ in his division.
4 finishes, 10 decisions wins in the UFC
Has only fought in the UFC at WW.
Just went to a draw against a LW in which many people thought he lost.
Hasn't beaten any champions or former champions.
0 fight win streak.

Anderson Silva

Tooled the former champ twice, finishing him with ease.
Has finished 11 out of 13 of his UFC opponents.
Has fought at MW and LHW, beating champions at both weights.
Just came off a win via spectacular KO.
Has beaten 4 world champions across 2 weight classes.
13 fight winning streak (longest in UFC history).

Now. Can you seriosly tell me that your ranking system works?
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Old 06-18-2011, 05:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think this list shows a lack of awareness about what P4P means and how much of a threat challengers actually are. Jim Miller lost to Frankie Edgar when he had basically no skills outside of wrestling. The HW one is particularly laughable. Also where is Cruz shouldn't he be Number 1 or 2 based on your "system".
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Old 06-18-2011, 08:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I don't get how u can rank fitch,aldo,gsp, Jones all higher than silva...
GSP has fitch,bj penn,diaz
Aldo-has kflo,mendes
Jones has- machida,rampage,forrest,henderson,silva, pretty much the enitre lhw
Silva-has who okami, then sonnen (who's career is unsure right now)...all he has to do is beat okami in which he should and he has cleared out the mw division AGAIN.
Fitch has dominated everyone he has fought outside of GSP. If GSP wasn't there he would be champ. There is no other fighter in any other division who would CLEARLY be champ if the current champ was not there. GSP already beat Fitch and Penn in dominant fashion therefore they are not threats according to my system. Aldo has dominated everyone who he has fought with the exception of Hominick and I mentioned Kenny and Mendes as his moderate threats. I can't honestly see how its possible to put any MAJOR threats for Jones.

Basically this ranking system puts everything in perspective of who is the safest in the near future and Silva has a brutally obvious weakness against wrestlers. His jiu jitsu will only save him for so long.


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A ranking system that has John Fitch above Anderson Silva is clearly falwed.

John Fitch

A man who has been tooled by the champ in his division.
4 finishes, 10 decisions wins in the UFC
Has only fought in the UFC at WW.
Just went to a draw against a LW in which many people thought he lost.
Hasn't beaten any champions or former champions.
0 fight win streak.

Anderson Silva

Tooled the former champ twice, finishing him with ease.
Has finished 11 out of 13 of his UFC opponents.
Has fought at MW and LHW, beating champions at both weights.
Just came off a win via spectacular KO.
Has beaten 4 world champions across 2 weight classes.
13 fight winning streak (longest in UFC history).

Now. Can you seriosly tell me that your ranking system works?
Jon Fitch has defeated every worthwhile WW with the exception of GSP and thats what matters. The BJ Penn being a major threat is accurate ill admit that I overlooked that obvious aspect. So add 3 points to his total and replace him. But I don't feel that Silva has a better chance at holding 185 than aldo, jones, and GSP do at holding their respective divisions.

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I think this list shows a lack of awareness about what P4P means and how much of a threat challengers actually are. Jim Miller lost to Frankie Edgar when he had basically no skills outside of wrestling. The HW one is particularly laughable. Also where is Cruz shouldn't he be Number 1 or 2 based on your "system".
You do know Jim Miller was in the exact same boat, correct? It was millers 6th professional fight and it was Frankie's 5th professional fight. They were both freshly out of their college wrestling careers. Both fighters have evolved tremendously since then.

Cruz has Faber and Johnson as major threats along with a shitload of upcoming 135 lb talent. He's in the worse shape than any other champ at holding his title in my opinion.

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Old 06-19-2011, 01:07 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Are u forgetting Bj fought GSP 2 years ago, and did not lose to fitch? I gonna say ur a GSP fan boy because ur ignoring the fact that GSP is not the same fighter from two years ago. This is gsp in a nut shell. 4 years ago...breath taking striker....3 years ago great overall fighter....2 years ago great wrestler great overall skills.......today he has lost that elite striking, his submission i don't know what happen, he is still that great wrestler except he has mental problems. U hit gsp he backs down, mentally gsp is a fighter which u can break his will easily. That is y i don;t have him p4p.
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Dominick Cruz

Major threats: None
Moderate threats: Urijah Faber
Minor threats: Brian Bowles, Joseph Benavidez

Total Points: 4

The system is ok, but how threat level is determined isn't clear enough and is highly subjective. For example, how is Sean Sherk a "minor threat" to Edgar, yet Lyoto Machida is no threat at all to Jon Jones.

And there isn't a single minor threat to Aldo, but Brendan Schaub is a minor threat to Velasquez? The list could go on...
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