Originally Posted by Ape City
I'm gonna be honest, I was really drunk and somehow missed the line you are referring to. Not really gonna make any excuses, that is pretty bad. Sorry.
I actually said at least trolls have a point, they take a side. As in you didn't add to the discussion you just insulted the OP. I realize now that I read it too quickly and perhaps while too intoxicated lol.
As far as taking his side I made it clear how I feel in my first post.
I believe Overeem was robbed of the opportunity to have a good performance. You can call me a cultist but I can't imagine how I would put together successful combinations when every time I land so much as a decent jab my opponents tries to pull guard (unsuccessfully).
It wasn't a good performance, but it wasn't his fault. It isn't like this is the first time Werdum has made a fight painful to watch. Arlovski vs Werdum was one of the worst fights of all time.
Well that's ok then, I'm also sorry for my behavior. Should've figured out from your reply that you might've missed those parts of the original post.
It's true that it wasn't all Overeem's fault that he wasn't allowed to fight his game, same way Anderson isn't any less of a deadly fighter for the messups that were the Leites and Maia fights. Buttflops are an embarrassment to the sport and BJJ IMO, and should be point deducted for repeated offences. You want to submit a guy, you get him down first, don't expect him to hop in between your legs as charity.
But there was a difference between the Anderson fights and Overeem's performance too ... in the moments that Anderson had to play his game, he completely outclassed his opponents. Overeem however looked tentative and actually the worse of the two, even in his so called element.
It's a fact that this was his first top 10 fight since the ubereem hype exploded, and it was quite mediocre. It's also a fact that all other top 10 fights in his MMA career (Chuck, Shogun 1 & 2, Lil Nog 1 & 2, Arona, Kharitonov, Werdum 1) , he has lost quite handily.
So I'm not gonna make any more derisive posts, but I will say I'm waiting for his next MMA fight against another top tenner (Bigfoot counts I think) before I buy his hype. I'm not going to base my opinion of him on his performance in a vastly different sport of kickboxing.