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post #11 of 27 (permalink) Old 06-28-2011, 06:26 AM
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He might have been a bit overrated but come on, a champ in SF and Dream, K-1 GP winner, anybody would be overrated with such accolades.

That Werdum fight was a bad way for us to see his skills IMO, Bigfoot is a good test and there's no doubt in my mind that Overeem is going to KO him. A LHW in Mike Kyle brutally dropped Silva, once Overeem connects taht cleanly he ain't getting up.

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The winner of Silva/Overeem is locked in as the third best fighter in the world....but even then since when is being ranked third "unstoppable" Are Jim Miller and Yushin Okami unstoppable monsters?
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Ive been hearing alot of hype over this guy. "Hes a beast" "Hes unstopable" No doubt hes done alot elsewhere but I really dont see him making all that much of an impact if he ever actually come over to the UFC. The only person that hes beat worth mentioning is Fabricio Werdum. What do you guys think?
You should watch his older fights, K-1, Pride and watch his more recent ones. He's vastly improved with his new found muscle 2.0 enhancing his skills giving him more KO power and able to throw around grapplers. He is the most improved MMA fighter out there. He wanted to fight Fedor who was touted as the #1 fighter at the time and rightfully so before he lost to Werdum. He also asked for a rematch with Werdum and has openly stated that he wants to fight in the UFC. Win or lose against Big Foot, Overeem is the BEST striker in the HW division bar none. I don't believe he's over rated, however in general he is still below quite a few of the UFC HW fighters simply because of the depth of the division and the brand name of the organization. His fight vs Big Foot is going to answer a lot of questions though.

Usually one equates someone who's fought and won a couple of matches as overrated; Sokoudjou, Dan Hardy, Gilbert Yvel, Gabriel Gonzaga, etc. The crowd and media hyped them to no avail. Look at their records and career trajectory now.

Can't wait to see the UFC absorb the entire SF HW roster. That will single handedly shake up the entire division. Why? Cuz the top guys can match the UFC top fighters.

1.) Fedor
2.) Overeem
3.) Barnett
4.) Big Foot
5.) Sergei

Then you got tons of fun matchups.

Arlovski vs Kongo
Rogers vs Carwin
Werdum vs Mir
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Werdum vs Mir
That's a fight i'd love to see. Especially on the ground.

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I don't mean to insult you, but to me this topic is trolling on several fronts.

To begin with this is hardly an original thought. Next to Brock Lesnar and maybe Frank Mir, Overeem is the most disrespected and scrutinized HW on the internet. To take the common line of thinking and then profess the opposite point of view claiming the people are calling him unstoppable is ridiculous.

I apologize if you took offense, had this popped up in the right forum I wouldn't have gotten angry. But I feel like this is a transparent flame baiting thread and I really don't like it.
Im sorry I didnt mean to make you angry. Im relatively new to the MMA world. I wasnt trying to troll or make a flame baiting thread.

As for the infamous "Unstopable" line. I heard that from a few friends who are avid fight fans. I didnt make it up for the sake of making a thread. Im sorry you thought so.
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Regardless of how he is "Rated", lacking last fight he is always, Always entertaining to watch. Generally he is well spoken, and seems to have a good head on his shoulders. Some organizations need to ride on the backs of some fighters, and if I were an upstarting organization, there are not many better to pick for your poster child.

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Well the saying "you're only as good as your last fight" has never been so evident. Overeem's an absolute crusher - however from the Werdum fight, it's obvious that when there's a threat of the TD - he really focuses on it and this really affects his striking. That really means he doesn't have much chance against the top guys like Cain.

However against pure strikers like JDS, Kongo, Barry etc. I see him shining (although JDS may have even better striking than K1 Overeem and can now threaten with the TD also).

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Well the saying "you're only as good as your last fight" has never been so evident. Overeem's an absolute crusher - however from the Werdum fight, it's obvious that when there's a threat of the TD - he really focuses on it and this really affects his striking. That really means he doesn't have much chance against the top guys like Cain.

However against pure strikers like JDS, Kongo, Barry etc. I see him shining (although JDS may have even better striking than K1 Overeem and can now threaten with the TD also).
He would just be going for Guillotines on most guys. Werdum is a different kind of animal from every other HW on the ground you can't use him as the standard for how Overeem will fight against wrestlers he is far better at BJJ than.
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He might have been a bit overrated but come on, a champ in SF and Dream, K-1 GP winner, anybody would be overrated with such accolades.

That Werdum fight was a bad way for us to see his skills IMO, Bigfoot is a good test and there's no doubt in my mind that Overeem is going to KO him. A LHW in Mike Kyle brutally dropped Silva, once Overeem connects taht cleanly he ain't getting up.

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Overeem is a lot like Mousasi. Put him in K-1, he's the best striker in the division. Put him against B-level cans, he looks better than anyone else (hell Mousasi owned O'Brien in seconds and O'Brien took a round from Jon Jones, Mousasi and Overeem both submitted Hunt instantly, etc)... but would they be top 3 in the UFC? No.


Not saying they couldn't be, but if Overeem fought Cain/JDS/Mir/Carwin I wouldn't give him a huge chance right now and I wouldn't doubt seeing him get dropped by Sergei if they fight and I wouldn't be surprised to see him controlled on the ground by Barnett either. Bigfoot will probably do just fine standing against him as well.

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Is Overeem overrated? Yes IMO he is but thats not to say he's a suck fighter.


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Overeem is a lot like Mousasi. Put him in K-1, he's the best striker in the division. Put him against B-level cans, he looks better than anyone else (hell Mousasi owned O'Brien in seconds and O'Brien took a round from Jon Jones, Mousasi and Overeem both submitted Hunt instantly, etc)... but would they be top 3 in the UFC? No.


Not saying they couldn't be, but if Overeem fought Cain/JDS/Mir/Carwin I wouldn't give him a huge chance right now and I wouldn't doubt seeing him get dropped by Sergei if they fight and I wouldn't be surprised to see him controlled on the ground by Barnett either. Bigfoot will probably do just fine standing against him as well.
I have no faith in bigfoots striking against Overeem, Reem is a solid fighter that can be competitive against anyone, IMO bigfoot is not.

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