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post #21 of 27 (permalink) Old 06-29-2011, 04:04 PM
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I'd also like to add quick that Golden Glory is probably the best striking camp in the entire world, for kickboxing.


But look at Jon Olav Einemo, Overeem, Schilt. Einemo has been at Golden Glory for years now and he just got schooled standing by a kid from a wrestling gym (Quest). Overeem just got visibly outstruck by a BJJ guy.


I'm really nervous for Gokhan Saki's MMA debut because I don't want him getting knocked out by some wrestler or something. It's been discussed a million times before, if your striking training doesn't encompass the threat of the TD, the 4oz gloves, and cage tactics then it won't translate to MMA period and the guys at Golden Glory just don't seem to be training for MMA.

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post #22 of 27 (permalink) Old 06-29-2011, 04:38 PM
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To be fair though your KO power must increase when using smaller gloves. If you can KO somebody with those balloons you call K1 gloves then MMA gloves must do a fair but of damage. Course accuracy needs tweaking when you've got smaller fists. But the added agility and grip for the clinch must tilt it into his favour. But you're right about the TD point and cage.
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I'd also like to add quick that Golden Glory is probably the best striking camp in the entire world, for kickboxing.


But look at Jon Olav Einemo, Overeem, Schilt. Einemo has been at Golden Glory for years now and he just got schooled standing by a kid from a wrestling gym (Quest). Overeem just got visibly outstruck by a BJJ guy.


I'm really nervous for Gokhan Saki's MMA debut because I don't want him getting knocked out by some wrestler or something. It's been discussed a million times before, if your striking training doesn't encompass the threat of the TD, the 4oz gloves, and cage tactics then it won't translate to MMA period and the guys at Golden Glory just don't seem to be training for MMA.
Einemo was winning the vast majority of that fight standing and he looked much improved striking. He also had some really serious leg injuries didn't he that is going to greatly lower your ceiling as a striker.

Overeem didn't get out struck by Werdum. Werdum didn't win a single exchange because he refused to exchange strikes at any point. Overeem forced him into throwing a bunch of weak hand flipping straights that were mostly grazing or fully blocked and then Werdum fled in terror anytime Overeem threw a strike at him. I counted one significant strike for Werdum in that entire fight Overeem landed over 20 even with Werdum's bullshit tactics.

Gokhan is an intelligent striker and far better technically than everyone else you mentioned I don't think he gets KOed standing by anyone who isn't very good at striking. If a wrestler KOs him it will be from GNP. If someone who isn't of high caliber stands with him they will be crippled within a round by his leg kicks so the window for your nightmare scenario to happen is pretty small.

I am not sure what weight class Gokhan is fighting at but it is probably LHW and in strikeforce that division is pretty weak. As far as wrestlers who could possibly KO him go it isn't like he is going to be fighting Rashad, Rampage, and Bones. King Mo would get destroyed standing and Hendo probably would too just because he is so much slower and predictable nowadays. It isn't like they would put him against either of those guys immediately also. He will probably be fighting cans or near cans. It would be funny/sad if they put him against Walker. His knees are already completely gone he might never walk again if that happens.
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The one thing we can agree on osmium is that Gokhan is a monster. I don't think he could ever be outstruck in MMA but I keep seeing Randleman vs. CroCop. Gokhan vs. Walker would be really hard to watch and I'd probably protest it if the commission would even clear it.

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Hey the reem is a beast, don't let his last fight fool you. Until he loses the strikeforce belt then we can judge. As it stands ring now his size and skills puts him above the rest. The man did have a long lay off from the change, he did not lose. Yes it was a bad performance but at the end of the day everyone is entitle to one of those matches. Before the werdum fight he was destroying everybody. If he does have another bad performance against big foot then i would say he is overrated, but as of right now he is a beast and easily a top 3 hw in the world.
See, the key words are in bold here. I think we actually can start to judge him now, because when 'destroying everybody' consists of guys like Fujita, and James frickign Thompson, I don't give that much weight.

It's true, I'm not writing him off because of one fight, anyone can have an off night. But Werdum is his first real test in literally years, and all his real tests before that, he lost. He lost to Kharitonov, to Rua, to Nogeira, to Arona, he beats guys like Gary Goodridge, and Todd Duffee.

To be an elite fighter, you have to beat elite fighters, Overeem has not done that at all. There is no way I put him top three now. I used to think he might be, but no way after that fight, he gets blown away by the top 3 in the UFC IMO. If he shows up and blows Bigfoot away with a big time KO or TKO, ok, its on, but I have a very hard time imagining that after the Werdum fight. I'll be watching his next fight with interest.
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He might have been a bit overrated but come on, a champ in SF and Dream, K-1 GP winner, anybody would be overrated with such accolades.

That Werdum fight was a bad way for us to see his skills IMO, Bigfoot is a good test and there's no doubt in my mind that Overeem is going to KO him. A LHW in Mike Kyle brutally dropped Silva, once Overeem connects taht cleanly he ain't getting up.
It is when the HW division in those organizations are as deep as the kiddie pool! When he won that title in Strikeforce their HW division was thin. Now that its pretty decent he has let to defend it!

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