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Old 07-13-2011, 09:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hendo, TRT user since 2007, speaks on use

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My levels were so low they were off the charts,” säger Henderson. “I was always tired and getting sick a lot.
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I couldn’t even tell you [how to abuse it]. I’ve never gone above normal ranges. All I know is that I’m not as tired and I don’t get as sick as I used to.
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The only time people get monitored now is at the fights,” säger Henderson. “I think it might be good to have stricter monitoring where people are getting tested throughout the year.

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Old 07-13-2011, 01:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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yeah, I don't see a problem with it as long as they stay within the normal, accepted levels.
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I don't like this idea at all. No one should be allowed to get artificial testosterone It defeats the purpose of having a drug policy.
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Who here has used Anabolic Steroids? If you have then you know exactly why an athletic healthy male would use HRT.

The overall lack of knowledge on this subject has never been more clear. For me, it's hard to believe people are buying the excuses given.

On a side note...most states have no regulations to determine what a low test level actually is. It is left to Doctor discretion. You can speculate how it's handled from there without me going into details.

Testing? If they were serious about stoping performance enhancers they would adopt Olympic style testing. It's what Floyd Maywether Jr. demanded before he fought Shane Mosely. I imagine it would be expensive considering the size of the UFC roster, but it could be restricted to fighters who have bouts within 8 weeks. But it won't happen...because just like the NFL and MLB the UFC knows it has a problem and has no desire to open that door. And they know it helps their athletes perform better. Perform better in a small window that is. Prolonged steroid abuse will actually lead to more injuries in the long run. Muscles get bigger and stronger but the tendons and ligaments suffer from the excess load.

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He is right that there needs to be a more strict testing schedule if it is going to be allowed. I don't know whether or not steroid use or his prolonged career as a competitive wrestler caused his huge dip in testosterone levels. I am pretty confident Hendo hasn't been abusing steroids for the past several years though he has taken a good amount of drug tests and his physique has steadily declined overall with age.

I personally don't think that anyone should be allowed to compete professionally if they aren't healthy enough to do so without something like TRT.
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The doctor on inside mma said its very rare for a normal person who hasn't used steroids to need TRT. You gotta think most fighters who are ripped used/use steroids. It comes back to bite them at some point. When you're lifting in highschool and get offered steroids, just imagine a professional athlete of any kind, and how much they get offered. TRT should be banned, it may deter steroid use in the future knowing they can't fall back on that to stay normal once they stop using roids.
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I've noticed that he has put on weight. Not sure how much is TRT and how much is just age.
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Prolonged steroid abuse will actually lead to more injuries in the long run. Muscles get bigger and stronger but the tendons and ligaments suffer from the excess load.
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But Ronaldo had a reason beardsleybob. He needed them as a kid, big diff to a full grown man. And he has paid for it from the age of a young adult.
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yeah, I don't see a problem with it as long as they stay within the normal, accepted levels.
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I don't like this idea at all. No one should be allowed to get artificial testosterone It defeats the purpose of having a drug policy.
My opinion is really in between these two statements. Not just anyone should be able to top off their testosterone levels just because they can get a doctor's note that they're moody. But there are some people who can point to a legitimate need.

Kevin Hall, a U.S. Olympic sailor, was allowed to use TRT. But he can definitively point to why he needs it, not just some nebulous, "I just do, nobody knows why." He lost both his testicles to cancer. So, he has a verifiable reason why he's not producing testosterone. I don't think that's a problem.

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Who here has used Anabolic Steroids? If you have then you know exactly why an athletic healthy male would use HRT.

The overall lack of knowledge on this subject has never been more clear. For me, it's hard to believe people are buying the excuses given.

On a side note...most states have no regulations to determine what a low test level actually is. It is left to Doctor discretion. You can speculate how it's handled from there without me going into details.

Testing? If they were serious about stoping performance enhancers they would adopt Olympic style testing. It's what Floyd Maywether Jr. demanded before he fought Shane Mosely. I imagine it would be expensive considering the size of the UFC roster, but it could be restricted to fighters who have bouts within 8 weeks. But it won't happen...because just like the NFL and MLB the UFC knows it has a problem and has no desire to open that door. And they know it helps their athletes perform better. Perform better in a small window that is. Prolonged steroid abuse will actually lead to more injuries in the long run. Muscles get bigger and stronger but the tendons and ligaments suffer from the excess load.
I've never used any anabolics. But I do see where you're going with why athletes would need TRT, unlike Chael Sonnen's doctor, who testified he wasn't aware of drugs that could result in someone having low testosterone. The article kind of glosses over that a little, even though it mentions two important dates. Dan Henderson got his Nevada therapeutic use exemption (TUE) waiver in 2007, and it wasn't until 2010 that Nevada decided to not grant any applicants TUEs for TRT if their condition was a result of past steroid use.

So, the obvious questions:

Was Henderson's low testosterone consistent with past anabolic steroid abuse?

Is Henderson's TUE for TRT permanent, or does he have to renew it for every fight, or every time he renews his license, or what?

Why did the NSAC wait until 2010 to rule out granting TUEs for TRT to people who had wrecked their own production of testosterone with past steroid abuse?


Also, the NSAC recently reinstituted its random, out of competition testing program. It's only one state, but it's the most important one. And they can test everyone who is licensed there, regardless of it they have a fight coming up in Nevada. So that's something at least. Though I'm guessing it's urine only and not blood, which would be nice.
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