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post #31 of 47 (permalink) Old 08-01-2011, 03:08 AM
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I disagree. Chuck didn't get 'mauled' by anyone. He lost a few at the end of his career but they were still good fights. Certainly not getting 'mauled'.

Same goes for Fedor. It's fair to say he got 'mauled' by Big Foot. But other than that he hasn't been 'mauled'.
Dude, you must be on crack.

Chuck's ribs looked like ribeye at a slaughterhouse after Jardine.

He was KO'ed by Rashad in one of the cleanest, most brutal highlight reel KO's in the history of the sport.

He went limp and his legs completely gave out after just two punches from Rampage.

Rua==one punch KO.

Franklin--one punch KO

Fedor: one punch from a middleweight and he goes limp.

Bigfoot's on top of him wailing away, and Fedor is helpless.

Werdum submits him in one minute.

Fedor is finished.
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Dude, you must be on crack.

Chuck's ribs looked like ribeye at a slaughterhouse after Jardine.

He was KO'ed by Rashad in one of the cleanest, most brutal highlight reel KO's in the history of the sport.

He went limp and his legs completely gave out after just two punches from Rampage.

Rua==one punch KO.

Franklin--one punch KO

Fedor: one punch from a middleweight and he goes limp.

Bigfoot's on top of him wailing away, and Fedor is helpless.

Werdum submits him in one minute.

Fedor is finished.
I'm not disputing that Fedor is finished. But none of those fights are maulings.
Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin is a mauling. BJ Penn vs Diego Sanchez is a mauling.

The Rampage fight could be considered a mauling. But just because somebody gets knocked out it does not in any way make it a mauling. Chuck put up a good fight in all of the fights mentioned apart from the Rampage fight. As shown by breaking Franklins arm. And winning the first round against Rashad. And the Jardine fight a mauling? It was a split decision.

By your logic, anything that ends with a knock out is a mauling. Todd Duffee vs Mike Russow. What a mauling that fight was!

You clearly have a very stupid definition of what a mauling is.

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Lentz vs Oliveira was made a NC by the comission for an illigal strike. Could Fedor do the same? 2 shots to the back of the head that helped finish the fight. I dont think this will happen but wondered if it could?

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Fedor did go down for a moment and was definitely dazed but he recovered right before herb intervened.
Herb was on his way over to stop the fight when Fedor was KO'd though. It may be unfortunate, but he was out, and the stoppage was fine.

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I don't care that it was Fedor. I'm not even a big Fan of his. It is a crap way to end a fight no matter who it is.

And I agree with you. He was probably completely out. However it doesn't matter. The shots to the back of the head are illegal, and for a reason, no matter how asleep your opponent appears.

If they never do anything about it, what is to stop fighters from doing it on purpose? Rock em, nail em in the the back of the head. It is a bad precedent.
This is something I agree with. I don't know how they should deal with it, take away the win, a fine, or whatever, but I _hate_ this crap. Don't hit a fighter in the back of the head ever, how hard is that to understand!?

If he KO'd Fedor then started headstomping him I think people would understand where we're coming from here.


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That was his call and as a ref I understand why he made it, but when compared to fights like Maynard/Edgar and HH/Nog it looked a bit premature. Better safe than sorry I guess. I don't blame Dan for the back of the head punches, as everything happened so quickly and with the blood pumping and hurting a guy it hard not to continue to punch especially when you see he's hurt. Herb however should have stopped the fight and warned him not to hit him in the back of the head. To me it should be treated like a nut shot, stop all action and allow the opponent to recover.

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Tremendously exciting fight!

Great stoppage - Those comparing this to Kongo/Barry, Kongo wasn't laying face down on the mat with his arms and legs limp, if Kongo wasn't falling down, he was recovering. Fedor was face down, limp, getting bombed on. That is the exact point a fight should be stopped.

DQ? - Well, the people calling for a DQ are the posters who are borderline... well.. whos opinions I take with a grain of salt anyway, so I don't feel compelled to make a big argument against it. I will just say that you probably don't know what it's like to try to finish a fight, let alone on that level. The shots really weren't that blatant to the back of the head, it was just the way Fedors head went limp. For the record, Fedor actually hit Henderson multiple times in the back of the head in their scramble, more than twice, and he was certainly going for the kill. I feel like some people are being a little emotional about the whole thing, but that is to be expected by passionate fans I guess.

Fedor should retire? - No, he shouldn't if he doesn't want to. He got into a wild brawl with Dan Henderson, exacly Henderson's style. He did exactly what he did in the Werdum fight, and that is fall into his opponents game. He ended up getting his lights shut out, but it wasn't so violent that it should be the end of his career.

Fedor at 205? - PLEASE!!! What the hell Fedor? Come on man, the dream is over at HW, time to get to work again and wreck shop at LHW.

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I don't think it would be a good move for Fedor to move down to 205. One of the many reasons for his success was being able to be quicker, more explosive and have better technique then his heavier competitors. He won't have that advantage at LHW. His era was in a time when clumsy heavyweights such as Tim Sylvia reigned. Unforunately HW's have come a long way since then and LHW have pretty much always been more skilled. So he's caught between a rock and a hard place. In their fight I thought Dan looked like the bigger fighter (framewise similar but Dan was much more muscular IMO). Still have much respect for Fedor though, and I still believe he will go down as one fo the greats.

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DQ? - Well, the people calling for a DQ are the posters who are borderline... well.. whos opinions I take with a grain of salt anyway, so I don't feel compelled to make a big argument against it. I will just say that you probably don't know what it's like to try to finish a fight, let alone on that level. The shots really weren't that blatant to the back of the head, it was just the way Fedors head went limp. For the record, Fedor actually hit Henderson multiple times in the back of the head in their scramble, more than twice, and he was certainly going for the kill. I feel like some people are being a little emotional about the whole thing, but that is to be expected by passionate fans I guess.
First off, Don't tase me bro, I like you, just kind of responding.

Whether or not someone knows what it's like is irrelevant pertaining to this situation. No matter who is fighting (I'm not a Fedor fan at all btw) I don't care what it's like to finish a fight, you should be following the rules while you're fighting. Just because it's easier to drop bombs on his cerebellum doesn't mean one should. Dan (who I rooted for in this fight and wanted to KO Fedor) should have picked his shots.

Maybe he gets too excited after the fights and has a hard time stopping without a few more clean blows. That's not his opponent's fault.







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In Dan's defense though, it's hard not being a dirty fighter if you've been one all your career . Don't hate the guy but you can't argue with the truth. Not sure if he does it on purpose or not, he might be one of those light switch type of fighters.

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At first glance he looked like he was out. The ref is supposed to stop the fight if someone goes limp like that. Can't fault Herb for following protocol. The punches to the back of the head are just Dan going in for the kill nothing out of the ordinary. Still I would have liked to see if he could recover, as a fan, but have no issues with Herbs discretion in this case.

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