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No_Mercy 07-31-2011 07:43 PM

Quick Analysis: Fedor vs Hendo
 
Last night showed me that Fedor is/was a true light heavy weight fighting in the HW division his entire career. Think about this can Hendo or any other LHW acomplish what he did at that division. Fedor is one of the few who should fight at both divisions especiallly if he wants to rejuvenate his career and I vehemently detest fighters cutting weight. Truth is Fedor isn't a big HW at all. He looked smaller than Hendo or at least comparable in size. The fact that Hendo clinched em against the cage showed me the strength was the same.

The same attributes that made Fedor fearless and a formidable killer in the cage/ring also interestingly led to his downfall.

1.) Werdum - overzealous in his attack on the ground
2.) Big Foot - he tried to land that home run shot in the
2nd round which enabled Big Foot to take the double leg and land the GNP from HELL which I might add that nobody could have withstood...other than Fedor.
3.) Fedor was winning the stand up (exception of the left counter hook early on by Hendo.) Then in classic Fedor fashion he recklessly went in with wild shots rather than picking his shots carefully.
- Dan clearly was wary of his power shots although as usual he was game to exchange.

This shows me that maybe Fedor never really had a game plan to begin with for ANY OF HIS PREVIOUS fights. Which is crazy because that's how skillful and instinctual he is.
All of his fights are the same. He rarely changes tactics. He comes out throwing wild looping bombs, clinches, goes for takedowns, GNPs, or tries for submissions. Ther's no real strategy employed which makes it all the more impressive un impressive depending on how you look at it.

Final note: He's plagued with the Chuck Liddell syndrome and that he never really sparred or trained with top notched fighters other than his brother. I've seen sparse footage of him grappling with Overeem, but that's about it.

For all the haters Fedor isn't over rated when his past accomplishments speak for itself. In this game nothing lasts forever.
- Pride HW champ
- undefeated for nearly a decade
- 5x sambo champion
- defeated FIVE UFC ex-champs with ease

Where does Fedor go from here...

Werdum rematch would be good, otherwise a resurgence in the UFC will give him new found interest. I'd put money on him against any HW cuz now he'll be the underdog which is pretty crazy. That's MMA for ya. There's no other sport out there where ones' career trajectory can swing like a pendulum.

*Final notes*
Chuck needed to retire because he was getting KTFO...BADLY!
Wand's getting there because he's in a similar situation.
Big Nog is one of the MOST battle scarred veterans. His body and face has aged considerably.
Mirko is getting hurt as well as is no longer the killer he once was.
Randy retired.

All of em were getting KOed repeatedly. Last night was Fedor's first time. He still has plenty of mileage.

Lets hope for the RETURN OF "THE LAST EMPEROR" inside the UFC. No M-1 bullshit, just a chance for him to redeem himself.

Wookie 07-31-2011 07:54 PM

I would like to see Fedor fight a couple people in the UFC. I really don't see it happening though.

rul3z 07-31-2011 09:58 PM

No_Mercy, the best what I've read till now about the man.

I would like to add the following:

I think there are 2 problems with Fedor:
FIRST: He is not "MENTALLY" prepared to loose, and he lost all of those fights after the fall to Werdum! He seems to me a very sensitive guy and he has no Mental coach that made him recover from that lose. I don't think he even thought about what will happen if he looses, so when he lost to Werdum, he was SHOCKED! And because of being so sensitive he didn't know what to do just hang the gloves when he was stopped against Big Foot. The way he reacted to that was definetly a way of a very humble and sensitive guy (regardless of what he is in the ring). All the big sports today use a psychological doctor, or any one that can help prepare you mentally. Fedor has nothing from that. At least from what I've seen till now.

SECOND: Since his first day in MMA he uses the same fighting approach. I even once heard it from him in an interview that he goes to fights with ZERO GAME PLANS! With the sport evolving today, and fighters preparing plans to dissemble their opponents, it was wrong that he fought the same his entire career, and went to all of his fights with no game plan. Henderson is a veteran and a very great one too, going there into the ring without a game plan against him was totally wrong of Fedor. I really don't know what his managers do? Why don't they tell him what he's doing is wrong for his sake? Why they leave him like that! I'm sure today that he has the worst management in the whole MMA history. They are supposed to help him, advice him not just gather money :(

I really wish DW gives Fedor an open door to the UFC, as I'm sure just like you, that if he only works on game plans and strategies, then he will knock the hell out of the whole UFC HW stack of fighters even Cain himself!


Finally, I really wish that referees study the fighters before they enter the ring. Because we all know that Fedor has never been knocked out, so giving the man 2 or 3 seconds further then ringing the bell would have been fair. Specially when you know that this guy hasn't been stun and faded out in his entire career!

For all the Fedor fans (me #1) I say Hard luck, and I really wish the Last Emperor doesn't call it the end :(

astrallite 07-31-2011 10:54 PM

If Fedor was training in a camp like Jackson's people would be saying he was still GOAT today. Remember most of Cain's fights have been at 230lbs (and not exactly cut either).

No_Mercy 07-31-2011 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rul3z (Post 1447067)
No_Mercy, the best what I've read till now about the man.

I would like to add the following:

I think there are 2 problems with Fedor:
FIRST: He is not "MENTALLY" prepared to loose, and he lost all of those fights after the fall to Werdum! He seems to me a very sensitive guy and he has no Mental coach that made him recover from that lose. I don't think he even thought about what will happen if he looses, so when he lost to Werdum, he was SHOCKED! And because of being so sensitive he didn't know what to do just hang the gloves when he was stopped against Big Foot. The way he reacted to that was definetly a way of a very humble and sensitive guy (regardless of what he is in the ring). All the big sports today use a psychological doctor, or any one that can help prepare you mentally. Fedor has nothing from that. At least from what I've seen till now.

SECOND: Since his first day in MMA he uses the same fighting approach. I even once heard it from him in an interview that he goes to fights with ZERO GAME PLANS! With the sport evolving today, and fighters preparing plans to dissemble their opponents, it was wrong that he fought the same his entire career, and went to all of his fights with no game plan. Henderson is a veteran and a very great one too, going there into the ring without a game plan against him was totally wrong of Fedor. I really don't know what his managers do? Why don't they tell him what he's doing is wrong for his sake? Why they leave him like that! I'm sure today that he has the worst management in the whole MMA history. They are supposed to help him, advice him not just gather money :(

I really wish DW gives Fedor an open door to the UFC, as I'm sure just like you, that if he only works on game plans and strategies, then he will knock the hell out of the whole UFC HW stack of fighters even Cain himself!


Finally, I really wish that referees study the fighters before they enter the ring. Because we all know that Fedor has never been knocked out, so giving the man 2 or 3 seconds further then ringing the bell would have been fair. Specially when you know that this guy hasn't been stun and faded out in his entire career!

For all the Fedor fans (me #1) I say Hard luck, and I really wish the Last Emperor doesn't call it the end :(

Appreciate the feedback. It's certainly surreal what happened these last three fights.
He'll be back...

Well I'm going to end this with one of my favorites quotes from him.


"Years ago we hardly had anything to eat. Now I earn more money and I see every opponent as a man that tries to put me back to that poorer period. That man has to be eliminated."

Emelianenko, Fedor

Soakked 08-01-2011 03:13 PM

Good points. Someone mentioned the mentality aspect and I agree. I'll take it a bit further and say due to his religious beliefs "gods will" and all maybe when he lost it shook his faith or his belief in being God's warrior.

The game plan he had wasn't good at all but come to think of it, he does always go in with the same game plan. Brawling with Dan at the start of the first round is suicide, everyone knows that. You have to tire Hendo first.

MMAnWEED 08-01-2011 04:03 PM

It's a little crazy that people say he's done after losing 3 times in a row. Realistically, he was undefeated in his first 33 fights so for crying out loud allow the man a few losses. In 2 of these 3 losses, he knocked werdum and Hendo to the ground before getting overly eager and losing.
Point is, with the possible exception of the Bigfoot fight, the man has never been defeated in a way where his opponent seemed superior. What other fighter other than GSP can say that?

I know he has a lot more left and I really hope that he comes back. Just imagine how deadly he could be if he trained at Greg Jackson's... damn.

suffersystem 08-01-2011 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rul3z (Post 1447067)
No_Mercy, the best what I've read till now about the man.

I would like to add the following:

I think there are 2 problems with Fedor:
FIRST: He is not "MENTALLY" prepared to loose, and he lost all of those fights after the fall to Werdum! He seems to me a very sensitive guy and he has no Mental coach that made him recover from that lose. I don't think he even thought about what will happen if he looses, so when he lost to Werdum, he was SHOCKED! And because of being so sensitive he didn't know what to do just hang the gloves when he was stopped against Big Foot. The way he reacted to that was definetly a way of a very humble and sensitive guy (regardless of what he is in the ring). All the big sports today use a psychological doctor, or any one that can help prepare you mentally. Fedor has nothing from that. At least from what I've seen till now.

SECOND: Since his first day in MMA he uses the same fighting approach. I even once heard it from him in an interview that he goes to fights with ZERO GAME PLANS! With the sport evolving today, and fighters preparing plans to dissemble their opponents, it was wrong that he fought the same his entire career, and went to all of his fights with no game plan. Henderson is a veteran and a very great one too, going there into the ring without a game plan against him was totally wrong of Fedor. I really don't know what his managers do? Why don't they tell him what he's doing is wrong for his sake? Why they leave him like that! I'm sure today that he has the worst management in the whole MMA history. They are supposed to help him, advice him not just gather money :(

I really wish DW gives Fedor an open door to the UFC, as I'm sure just like you, that if he only works on game plans and strategies, then he will knock the hell out of the whole UFC HW stack of fighters even Cain himself!


Finally, I really wish that referees study the fighters before they enter the ring. Because we all know that Fedor has never been knocked out, so giving the man 2 or 3 seconds further then ringing the bell would have been fair. Specially when you know that this guy hasn't been stun and faded out in his entire career!

For all the Fedor fans (me #1) I say Hard luck, and I really wish the Last Emperor doesn't call it the end :(



I find this interesting, because IMO that would've worked against Fedor then. Guy has never been KO'd, and was just KO'd, best reason of them all to stop the fight.

rul3z 08-01-2011 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No_Mercy (Post 1447096)
Well I'm going to end this with one of my favorites quotes from him.


"Years ago we hardly had anything to eat. Now I earn more money and I see every opponent as a man that tries to put me back to that poorer period. That man has to be eliminated."

Emelianenko, Fedor

I really hope he does, damn can't stand watching a year of fights with no Fedor match in one of them :(

I hope he gets back, but moves to Greg Jackson's camp.

rul3z 08-01-2011 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soakked (Post 1447282)
Good points. Someone mentioned the mentality aspect and I agree. I'll take it a bit further and say due to his religious beliefs "gods will" and all maybe when he lost it shook his faith or his belief in being God's warrior.

The game plan he had wasn't good at all but come to think of it, he does always go in with the same game plan. Brawling with Dan at the start of the first round is suicide, everyone knows that. You have to tire Hendo first.

If your a believer and get shocked with a lose, and say that I'm no longer Gods Worrier? Then I don't think your a believer ! Faith means you believe in God in whats Good and What appears to you as Bad. Not seeking only good things. Plus, who knows, it might be for his sake he had those loses.

Hendo is a great fighter, that is a fact, and for me he is a true legend of the sport. But, if only Fedor had a good game plan, he could of took him out without the need to tier him down.


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