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Yes. I have a great deal of respect for Crocop and Nogueira. They went for the best, and though not successful, they went the highroad. They went out like true champions. Fedor went the low road, and couldn't cut it there either.
Please explain the bold part? Aside from the hype fedor got, Crocop had just as much hype when he enter the ufc. The difference is crocop has been a bigger bust that fedor. You can't say fedor took the low road because we don't know fedor, his manager,the ufc pov, etc around the situation. We don't know if Dana wanted fedor to train in amaerican,etc.
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Please explain the bold part? Aside from the hype fedor got, Crocop had just as much hype when he enter the ufc. The difference is crocop has been a bigger bust that fedor. You can't say fedor took the low road because we don't know fedor, his manager,the ufc pov, etc around the situation. We don't know if Dana wanted fedor to train in amaerican,etc.
It's not about hype, it's about competition. Crocop didn't duck, and he deserves props for that. Yeah he got smashed as did Nog, as did HH as did all Pride fighters. But that doesn't take away from his accomplishments. MMA past him up. No shame in that.

What Fedor did, fighting 2nd tier fighters for years in an attempt to protect his record was shameful. He deserves no respect. And I used to be a fan, and he lost me as a fan before he ever lost.

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Coleman was a natural Light Heavyweight.



As was Randleman
So by your logic, GSP's victories over BJ mean nothing?


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Yes. I have a great deal of respect for Crocop and Nogueira. They went for the best which was in the UFC, and though not successful, they went the highroad. They went out like true champions. Fedor went the low road, and couldn't cut it there. He tried to cheat and failed.
I think Fedor not joining the UFC was more to do with ridiculous demands M-1 global were making and less to do with Fedor ducking top-tier competition.
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So by your logic, GSP's victories over BJ mean nothing?
Yeah, I don't really think BJ had a chance against GSP. The first fight, maybe, but GSP became a beast. BJ was too small too weak.

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I think Fedor not joining the UFC was more to do with ridiculous demands M-1 global were making and less to do with Fedor ducking top-tier competition.
Look, M-1 = Fedor and Fedor = M-1. Fedor could have joined the UFC if he wanted. And M-1 couldn't pay to get him in now.
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It's not about hype, it's about competition. Crocop didn't duck, and he deserves props for that. Yeah he got smashed as did Nog, as did HH as did all Pride fighters. But that doesn't take away from his accomplishments. MMA past him up. No shame in that.

What Fedor did, fighting 2nd tier fighters for years in an attempt to protect his record was shameful. He deserves no respect. And I used to be a fan, and he lost me as a fan before he ever lost.
I don't think he was ducking anybody, i just think he was doing what was best for him. Think about it he is a private russian man with a strong believe in god. Like i said i don't know fedor or the situation, but i do know the ufc would have made him into a pop star type figure. He has fought every man that was possible. He has ont really duck anyone, u can say reem but if he had beat big foot, him and reem would have been on a collision course.
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I don't think he was ducking anybody, i just think he was doing what was best for him. Think about it he is a private russian man with a strong believe in god. Like i said i don't know fedor or the situation, but i do know the ufc would have made him into a pop star type figure. He has fought every man that was possible. He has ont really duck anyone, u can say reem but if he had beat big foot, him and reem would have been on a collision course.
Forgive me, but I just don't buy this. From what I can see, the UFC is treating Nog, Cop, Wandy, Rua, Rampage just fine. They would have treated Fedor just fine also. Both he and M-1 would have made a lot of money. He would have won some and lost some. He likely would have gotten an immediate title shot.
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Forgive me, but I just don't buy this. From what I can see, the UFC is treating Nog, Cop, Wandy, Rua, Rampage just fine. They would have treated Fedor just fine also. Both he and M-1 would have made a lot of money. He would have won some and lost some. He likely would have gotten an immediate title shot.
They want Wandy to retire, Big nog and Dana's relationship has kind of been iffy in recent memory. Shogun and Page are different these guys were still in there prime and huge cash cow. THe way i look at it M1/ Ufc both are head strong and both wanted something none is willing to give. I always saw Strikefroce then the m1 global logo underneath this weekend. For the ufc to do that it would have been ridiculous.

But at the end of the day, those 4 guys you list are the complete opposite of fedor. It might be a little out of line but it might be the truth. Fedor is a hardcore russian, he loves his country. I don't think fedor would ever live,train, or do the things the ufc would have required from him in the usa.
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I'm so thankful Henderson exposed this myth. His legacy will be a decade of ducking (maybe half a decade to be fair), rather than a decade of dominance.
why did you quote my response out of everyones to put this opinion across? I never suggested he ducked anyone, look at his record? He's fought the elite during his Pride years. Undefeated fr nearly 10years? you don't get that by taking the easy road!

others have said the exact same as me...don't single me out please sweetheart!
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You can't water down his wins with a size argument, Fedor himself is a natural cruiserweight and IMO should fight at lw.

He didn't duck anyone in pride and to me m1 was the issue with matchmaking. He's a legend not for what he is doing now or where he's ranked in today's mma but for what he did in pride.
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I imagine people will say the same of gsp and anderson some day. I've been following MMA for a decade. Fedor was the greatest fighter to have ever lived up until the later 2000s. He is still the most achieved fighter, greatest heavyweight to have ever lived. This will not change if he loses 10 more fights.
excellent response. nothing more is needed here.
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