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08-01-2011, 06:38 PM
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#61 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by anderton46
The guy is 34. People talk about these three losses as if they shouldn't count as he's too old and past it. But 34 really isn't old for a fighter. We see alot of guys just starting to fight at 30. He's done very well in his career up until this point, so his legacy will remain, he was the best HW for a set period.
But for those saying he's the best HW ever then that has no logic behind that. Seeing as he's already lost to two HW's they are surely better than him?
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So i Guess GSP is equal to Serra since they are 1-1 by your logic and Jardine is better than Liddell since got a victory over him too........ 
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08-01-2011, 06:39 PM
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#62 (permalink)
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Lightweight
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Originally Posted by LizaG
why did you quote my response out of everyones to put this opinion across? I never suggested he ducked anyone, look at his record? He's fought the elite during his Pride years. Undefeated fr nearly 10years? you don't get that by taking the easy road!
others have said the exact same as me...don't single me out please sweetheart!
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Sweatheart! Who you call'n sweatheart?
And yes, Fedor did take on the best HW's during his Pride years. But after that he ducked like it was nobody's business in an attempt to protect that record. And he still failed.
And how exactly did I single you out? I've been respond to just about every Fedor nut hugger here. |
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08-01-2011, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Calminian
Le's face it, it's tarnished. Yes, he was the best HW in the world at a time when the HW div. was the joke of MMA. That's the only place he shined. He did beat some old school HW's from the UFC and elsewhere. But those HW's have proven to be, at worst pathetic, at best, 2nd tier (Nog is really the only one that comes to mind).
In reality, Fedor was at the top of the heap for a very brief time when the sport was still taking off and the HW's barely spreading their wings. What kept his reputation going so long was not beating great fighters, but a disgusting display of record protecting by his management company, himself and the mma media who puffed up his p4p ranking.
Just as it took a middle-aged LHW in Couture to expose the HW div., it took a 40 year old middleweight UFC cut to expose Fedor as perhaps the most overrated fighter in MMA history. Like it or not, that's his legacy. Was he good during his time? Yes. But he and his cohorts wouldn't stop there and paid the price.
He should have entered the UFC and taken his lumps by the best on the world. He probably would have even got past Couture before getting destroyed by a true HW. He still would have had a great legacy. But instead he took the low road, and unfortunately even that proved too tough to navigate.
Fedor is the most overrated fighter in MMA history.
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I think respected and overrated must be distinguished. Randy was hardly the best heavyweight, but respected by all... in the same way Fedor's humility and fight ethic is respected by all. All those who consider him invincible AND those who consider him to be way overrated, are off the mark. The guy is a legend the same way, Mirko, Randy, Wanderlei and Hendo are... I think trying to say who the bigger legend is, is where the fail comes along. Its a bit like trying to say which supermodel is hotter... stupid, but one thing must be taken for granted... we all eventually lose that edge. |
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08-01-2011, 06:51 PM
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Don't Hate on the Tate
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No fighter lives forever...they will have years that don't resemble their peak, but they remain Greats forever regardless. Hughes, Lidell, Couture all had less successful years than their heyday, but remain Greats in spite of those losses.
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08-01-2011, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by urbanangel22
I think respected and overrated must be distinguished. Randy was hardly the best heavyweight, but respected by all... in the same way Fedor's humility and fight ethic is respected by all. All those who consider him invincible AND those who consider him to be way overrated, are off the mark. ....
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So would you admit he was slightly overrated?
For me it's been crazy following this guy over the years waiting for him to prove his ranking. As well as all the trash talking that went on for him. As far as I'm concerned, he never earned his ranking in the last 5 years. Before that, yes, he was the best HW. There are 5 or 6 guys in the UFC that would have beaten him in the HW division. And I think there were also a few LHW's that would have also. Regardless, fighters should have to prove their rank, and not get rewarded for staying away from the top promotion. |
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08-01-2011, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LizaG
No fighter lives forever...they will have years that don't resemble their peak, but they remain Greats forever regardless. Hughes, Lidell, Couture all had less successful years than their heyday, but remain Greats in spite of those losses.
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Of course! I never disputed this. But this thread is not about that. It's about a fighter who ducked the best for years to protect his record. none of the above mentioned did that. That's the difference.
What bugs me is the straw man that's continually put forth that this is about losses at the end of a career. (notice the moronic post below mine)
Last edited by Calminian : 08-01-2011 at 07:00 PM.
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08-01-2011, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LizaG
No fighter lives forever...they will have years that don't resemble their peak, but they remain Greats forever regardless. Hughes, Lidell, Couture all had less successful years than their heyday, but remain Greats in spite of those losses.
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agreed.
whats happened to fedor eventually happens to all fighters. then of course there will always be some smarthead troll claiming that their records are tarnished, and whatnot..
especially disgusting are the ones that claims that their records already had been tarnished long before the end of their career
Last edited by Coq de Combat : 08-01-2011 at 07:16 PM.
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08-01-2011, 07:00 PM
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#68 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Calminian
So would you admit he was slightly overrated?
For me it's been crazy following this guy over the years waiting for him to prove his ranking. As well as all the trash talking that went on for him. As far as I'm concerned, he never earned his ranking in the last 5 years. Before that, yes, he was the best HW. There are 5 or 6 guys in the UFC that would have beaten him in the HW division. And I think there were also a few LHW's that would have also. Regardless, fighters should have to prove their rank, and not get rewarded for staying away from the top promotion.
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Yup, I do agree with pretty much all you said... |
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08-01-2011, 07:01 PM
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#69 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by urbanangel22
Yup, I do agree with pretty much all you said...
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08-01-2011, 07:09 PM
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#70 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Calminian
You are a scholar and a gentleman. |
lol. The thing is, with me... I was always a big Fedor fan as he was a giant killer... as I was an Overeem fan, because he was kicking ass in K1... but as fighters get popular, many fans are really quite emotionally involved. The truth is, I love watching great fights, I can sometimes swap loyalties midway through a fight. My loyalty isn't rational or emotional... I used to like Jon Jones and hate Rashad but now I hate Jon Jones and like Rashad.. (well hate might be a bit strong).
The point I'm getting to, is that many die-hard fans stuck on the Fedor train until the very end. I think thats cool... but its not the way I work. I'm a GSP supporter no doubt... but one things for sure, if GSP and Fedor were fighting on different cards on the same night... I'd watch Fedor, win or lose. The guy is a warrior and he's got my respect, but I think some of the hero worship verges on serious manlove obsession.
Last edited by urbanangel22 : 08-01-2011 at 07:12 PM.
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