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Old 08-01-2011, 08:00 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Well said, I do believe for Fedor being a co-owner of M1 is a catch 22, or double edged sword if you will.

They are terrible match makers and do not look out for his interests as a fighter other than making $$$
All this is based on the premise that Fedor had no control in M1. The truth is he had the most control.

Look, I can see the temptation in not wanting to go to one extreme and say he fought the best like some here are doing. But making M1 the scapegoat is not rational either. Fedor was the most influential partner in m1. If he wanted it to happen, it would have happened. I can't rationally separate him from them.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:02 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Well said, I do believe for Fedor being a co-owner of M1 is a catch 22, or double edged sword if you will.

They are terrible match makers and do not look out for his interests as a fighter other than making $$$
Yup, then again... I think he might have lost should he have come to the UFC. So who knows, maybe the M1 made him much more money. I also find it particularly sad the way the UFC and Dana literally hold the careers of so many fighters as hostage. Hopefully he actually benefitted from being with M1, and not caving in to the big man. Showed that there is life outside the UFC... Makes me wonder what will happen to Overeem...
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:07 PM   #83 (permalink)
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All this is based on the premise that Fedor had no control in M1. The truth is he had the most control.

Look, I can see the temptation in not wanting to go to one extreme and say he fought the best like some here are doing. But making M1 the scapegoat is not rational either. Fedor was the most influential partner in m1. If he wanted it to happen, it would have happened. I can't rationally separate him from them.
I think not fighting in the UFC he might have wanted to avoid... but not wanting to fight the best guys? I don't agree. He faced Antonio S, and the was up against Overeem. These 2 are at the very top of the heavyweight division. Joining the UFC means achieving your dreams for a young fighter, but means selling your soul for the various veterans... Hendo, Randy, Tito amongst MANY who didnt like the way the UFC would run things. To this degree Fedor was his own man. I dont think avoiding the UFC was about him avoiding the best opposition. Its not consistent with the nature of the man.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:09 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Rather than looking at the negative aspects of what transpired I'd prefer to look at the positives. As stated in another post...

What he left behind is the BLUEPRINT to becoming a champion and even more important to stay as one for the better part of the decade. Stoic, poised, and fearless. These are the traits that he represents.

Suppose like all emperors before em...

All things must come to an end, even for the immortals.
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Rather than looking at the negative aspects of what transpired I'd prefer to look at the positives. As stated in another post...

What he left behind is the BLUEPRINT to becoming a champion and even more important to stay as one for the better part of the decade. Stoic, poised, and fearless. These are the traits that he represents.

Suppose like all emperors before em...

All things must come to an end, even for the immortals.
Yup, i suppose just as Ali became known for his mouth - influencing scores of boxers to come.. Fedor has left his mark. An absolute lack of any emotion... Gegard Mousasi anyone?
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Fedor has left us with some amazing fights, far more exciting than a GSP highlight reel for sure. We could argue till the cow's come home but the masses believe the hype, so let them. Critics can critique, the lovers can love and enjoy a lot of exciting fights courtesey of Mr Emelianenko.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:22 PM   #87 (permalink)
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Yup, i suppose just as Ali became known for his mouth - influencing scores of boxers to come.. Fedor has left his mark. An absolute lack of any emotion... Gegard Mousasi anyone?
Perhaps you overlooked the subtlety of the points mentioned.
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Perhaps you overlooked the subtlety of the points mentioned.
perhaps you overlooked humor...
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[quote=urbanangel22;1447470]perhaps you overlooked humor...[/QUOTE

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perhaps you overlooked humor...[/QUOTE

Jeez bro. No need to be so melodramatic. You can see by my posts that I know exactly what Fedor did for the sport. You want me to hold up a candle, to continue the thankful somber mood of solidarity?

Joke not funny? I would expect Fedor to concur with you.
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