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Squirrelfighter 08-05-2011 10:26 PM

Marloes Coenen responds
 
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For those international readers of MiddleEasy.com (or people who have never heard a single mid-90s hip-hop track), putting a person 'on blast' is essentially providing a piece of information that is used to refute the argument or belief of another person. For example, if Arnold Schwarzenegger denied having an affair with his house keeper, Maria Shriver could just show a picture of Arnold's 'love child' and say something along the lines of 'Well how the [expletive] does this little kid look like Conan the Barbarian?' That would be the absolute definition of putting someone on blast. Just a few minutes ago, Marloes Coenen utilized a similar 'blast' technique by publishing her entire check from Forza, LLC, the company that now owns Strikeforce which, of course, is all owned by ZUFFA. Now the significance of the check lies in the fact that it's made out to 'Marloes Coenen' and not any other entity. You're still scratching your head trying to figure this out? Don't worry, we have an explanation -- but you should probably shampoo more often. The reason why this is significant is due to a recent interview on MMAFighting in which Dana White says the reason for the cut of Marloes Coenen (and most of Golden Glory) was due to business practices. Specifically, the need to pay Golden Glory instead of the fighters. Here's an excerpt from today's Mike Chiappetta interview with Dana White.

"This is actually a pretty simple explanation," he said. "If you look back throughout history, we haven't had any Golden Glory guys fight with us since Semmy Schilt, right? And the reason is we have very different business practices. It's tough to do business with them. The bottom line is the way they do business is, you have to pay them, not the fighters. We don't work that way. It's not the way we do business. It's not how it works in the United States with the athletic commissions. You don't pay the managers and the managers pay the fighters. You pay the fighters and the fighters pay the managers."
As you can see in this check, it's made directly to Marloes Coenen. See for yourself.



Could there be more to this story aside from this scanned copy of the check? Of course there is -- we just don't know it yet. However, in the meantime I'm getting some Mexican food. Hey, I'm hungry...I can't help it. Get off my back.

Update: I've been thinking about this, and to play devil's advocate, Golden Glory may have requested their fighters to be paid through the organization, ZUFFA denied it and dropped the fighters because of it. However, judging from the way Marloes Coenen is presenting the information, the impression I initially got was the check was used to dispute the statement made by Dana White.

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@danawhite hurts me 2 hear things about my management that are not true. #Ibelieveinthetruth #proof http://twitpic.com/6113vq

Sh*t just got real.


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http://twitter.com/#!/MarloesCoenen

UFC_OWNS 08-05-2011 10:46 PM

eh i dont believe marloes over dana for one second or any of those dutch and russian camps with their management, no loss to many of us anyways because she is boring and she lost to an opponent worthy of being on the roster in miesha tate who most likely doesnt have shady management

oldfan 08-05-2011 11:47 PM

Maybe you don't like her and won't miss her but, I think Dana just got busted (blasted?).

Pretty sure someone will pick this up and run with it. should be pretty simple to find out who's telling the truth.

dana wouldn't lie........would he?

kantowrestler 08-06-2011 12:19 AM

I don't think Dana White would admit he lies. He probably would admit that he viewed things differently. That is really what this is about.

oldfan 08-06-2011 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kantowrestler (Post 1449461)
I don't think Dana White would admit he lies. He probably would admit that he viewed things differently. That is really what this is about.

No Kanto... this is about Dana saying that strikeforce had to pay Golden Glory who then paid their fighters and that going forward, Zuffa wouldn't/couldn't do that. yet there is a check made out to her and not Golden Glory.

beardsleybob 08-06-2011 01:43 AM

This could possibly be a misunderstanding. Dana has claimed that before any fight its standard procedure to put all fighters' purse money in escrow with the athletic commission. SO we assume that amount is the base pay for just stepping in the ring. However what about any win bonuses?

SmackyBear 08-06-2011 04:42 AM

MMAjunkie piece with some response from White:

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Ex-Strikeforce champ Marloes Coenen appeared to have called Zuffa, LLC co-owner Dana White's bluff on Thursday night.

However, according to the UFC president, his words remain true.

Coenen, along with her Golden Glory teammates Jon Olav Einemo and Valentijn Overeem were cut for one simple reason, according to White: Zuffa simply can't do business the way the Dutch firm would prefer.

"The Golden Glory guys told us, 'You're going to pay us.'" White on Thursday night told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "We said, 'No, we're not. We're paying the fighters directly. We're not going to do that."

The quote echoes what the UFC boss said earlier in the day, when he was questioned about the decision following this afternoon's UFC 133 pre-event press conference.

"We don't want that," White said about Golden Glory executives' reported desire to have fighter checks issued to the team for eventual disbursement to their fighters. "It's not the way we do business. It's not how it works in the U.S. You don't pay the manager and the manager pays the fighter. You pay the fighter, and the fighter pays the manager."

Moments after he made that statement, in an interview with MMA Fighting, White offered further clarification on the proper terms for payment under the jurisdiction of athletic commissions in the U.S.

"Before a fight, the money goes into an account for the purses, and the athletic commission writes the checks," White said. "The commission writes the checks to the fighters, and then the fighters pay the managers or their trainers or whoever else they have to pay."

In an apparent response to that statement, Coenen tweeted a photo of her Forza, LLC (a subsidiary of UFC and Strikeforce parent company Zuffa, LLC)-issued check for public inspection as a way to prove her ex-employers at Strikeforce were paying her directly not her management company, Golden Glory, as White insisted the Dutch-based firm was attempting to arrange.

White said the check was issued as such due to his company's insistence, but that Golden Glory executives were certainly not happy about the deal.

"Even when we did the deal with Einemo (for a fight at UFC 131), we told them, 'We're paying the fighters,'" White told MMAjunkie.com. "Even though they agreed to the deal, they later came out and were flipping out during the event wanting to change the deal.'"

As it turns out, White's initial explanation of the process wasn't entirely accurate, even if the premise of the concept was sound. In many states, athletic commissions simply hold the agreed-upon purse checks as proof of the promotion's intent to pay before distributing said checks on fight night. For instance, Illinois where Coenen fought in July and where the check in question was earned does not require any sort of escrow deposit, and checks are simply passed on as arranged.

In fact, according to the commission's website, the state's MMA regulatory act only requires promoters to disclose "the amount of the purses to be paid to the professionals for the event" in order to achieve sanctioning.

Essentially, White isn't denying that his company wrote a check to Coenen. Instead, he's insisting that Coenen's management wasn't exactly thrilled with the arrangement and that he couldn't continue to employ that team's fighters knowing that it would prove an ongoing battle. Additional sources close to the situation suggested Strikeforce's contracts prior to the company's acquisition may have been a little looser in structure and that payment arrangements were at times a little more creative than the black-and-white structure of the current Zuffa deals.

Further sources familiar with the negotiations suggested Golden Glory fighters are often willing to simply sign over their checks to Golden Glory, regardless to whom they are issued. MMAjunkie.com was unable to confirm those requests on-record, but veteran MMA reporter Josh Gross seemed to suggest the relationship with her management is one of complete trust.

"Marloes Coenen just told me she wants Golden Glory to handle payments because of tax purposes," Gross stated on Twitter. "She's paid direct and knows what she makes."

Golden Glory trainer Martin de Jong told MMAjunkie.com he was disappointed at the moves, but the team's management has yet to speak on-record. Golden Glory co-founder Bas Boon has promised a statement will be forthcoming shortly. His primary business partner, Ron Nyqvist, remains a silent investor while completing a prison sentence.

White said he welcomes an open-forum discussion, as he insists there is nothing to hide. Change your practices, adhere to clearly defined requirements, and the UFC and Strikeforce are both happy to consider your services.

"I'm pro-fighter," White said. "I'm not pro-manager. The fighters go out and earn the money. They get the check. What they decide to do with it from there on out is up to them.

"I have nothing against these fighters. I have nothing against Golden Glory. The commissions are there to make sure there are never any bounced checks. We're required to do business a certain way, and we have no choice but to comply."


I can't be the only one who doesn't completely believe both Zuffa and GG, can I?

marcthegame 08-06-2011 06:20 AM

I believe GG over Dana white simply because i don't think overeem is a punk that would let some take his money and give him a cut. Overeem comes off as a dude who gets paid and gets paid well.

Hammerlock2.0 08-06-2011 06:26 AM

I believe Golden Glory. Reason? Golden Glory has never lied to me before.

rul3z 08-06-2011 08:54 AM

Nothing new, when it comes to "D" "W" hes most of the time a lier, if not all of the time!


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