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Coosh 08-18-2011 03:39 AM

Will all the losses hurt Fedors mystique like it did to Kimbo's?
 
Not comparing them as fighters but at times the public thought they were unstoppable beasts and then after all the losses Kimbo faded away in MMA. Will Fedor go down a similar road after the Hendo loss?

Dan0 08-18-2011 03:42 AM

No one with any kind of common sense ever thought of Kimbo as 'an unstoppable beast'.

Coosh 08-18-2011 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan0 (Post 1456189)
No one with any kind of common sense ever thought of Kimbo as 'an unstoppable beast'.

A lot of people bought into the Kimbo hype. Uneducated fans but millions of them.

KillerShark1985 08-18-2011 04:11 AM

are you really seriously comparing the high of Kimbo's success in MMA to that of Fedor.

Well with the power of the Dana White Hate and discredit Band Wagon headed straight at Fedor, this has turned a large number of followers against him, note how the same never happened to Chuck Liddell or Wanderlei Silva, who both suffered far worse falls yet because they where still making money for Dana he did not point his hate band wagon and turn the fans against them.

This situation to me just shows what a bunch of mindless ass holes most MMA fans are, and how easily they are lead by marketing and hype, and this goes for large numbers who will maybe read this and post on this forum as well, because its a very sad but true fact that a lot of the MMA community has turned it back on Fedor and what he accomplished in the sport.

I think part of the problem with MMA is the UFC following are much more WWE like structure in its promotion, hence they have won a lot of old WWE fans and what would have been WWE fans if not for the other option of the UFC, and hype is everything in the WWE so they care about this more than MMA and in a sense the Hype and Storyline behind fight and beating big names that are hyped up and various other name building strategies, means more than shear talent, and this is what they pay to see so its what DW gives them.

UFC100 marked the end of the path in my eyes when the UFC chose to turn its path in much more of a WWE like direction based on hype and steer more away from a legit sport, would not have took such bad illness on the sport if they had only let someone else rise whos focus was on the sport which we had with Strikeforce, but now its plain obvious that Zuffa will do anything to stop another promotion from rising, which is why the main base of MMA needs to leave the states in order to develop as a internationally respected sport like boxing.

Coosh 08-18-2011 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerShark1985 (Post 1456198)
are you really seriously comparing the high of Kimbo's success in MMA to that of Fedor.

Well with the power of the Dana White Hate and discredit Band Wagon headed straight at Fedor, this has turned a large number of followers against him, note how the same never happened to Chuck Liddell or Wanderlei Silva, who both suffered far worse falls yet because they where still making money for Dana he did not point his hate band wagon and turn the fans against them.

This situation to me just shows what a bunch of mindless ass holes most MMA fans are, and how easily they are lead by marketing and hype, and this goes for large numbers who will maybe read this and post on this forum as well, because its a very sad but true fact that a lot of the MMA community has turned it back on Fedor and what he accomplished in the sport.

I think part of the problem with MMA is the UFC following are much more WWE like structure in its promotion, hence they have won a lot of old WWE fans and what would have been WWE fans if not for the other option of the UFC, and hype is everything in the WWE so they care about this more than MMA and in a sense the Hype and Storyline behind fight and beating big names that are hyped up and various other name building strategies, means more than shear talent, and this is what they pay to see so its what DW gives them.

UFC100 marked the end of the path in my eyes when the UFC chose to turn its path in much more of a WWE like direction based on hype and steer more away from a legit sport, would not have took such bad illness on the sport if they had only let someone else rise whos focus was on the sport which we had with Strikeforce, but now its plain obvious that Zuffa will do anything to stop another promotion from rising, which is why the main base of MMA needs to leave the states in order to develop as a internationally respected sport like boxing.

I clearly stated I wasn't comparing Fedor and Kimbo as fighters.

About your comment being lead by marketing and hype... are you kidding me? Fedor was the most carefully marketed and managed fighter in MMA history.

What other fighter in MMA had their management choose every sinlge one of their opponents?

If anything Pride was the most like WWE, with matches that were proven to have been fixed, judges who gave decisions to fan favorites, and refs that stood fights up to entertain fans.

Fine Wine 08-19-2011 03:37 AM

Fedor was the greateset Pioneer of MMA. He didn't evolve and everybody knew that before his losses.

Kimbo Slice was a youtube St fighter. Everybody knew he was just that.

I wouldn't say they have been tarnished at all, except for those who believed something other than what they were.

Big_Charm 08-19-2011 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerShark1985 (Post 1456198)
are you really seriously comparing the high of Kimbo's success in MMA to that of Fedor.

Well with the power of the Dana White Hate and discredit Band Wagon headed straight at Fedor, this has turned a large number of followers against him, note how the same never happened to Chuck Liddell or Wanderlei Silva, who both suffered far worse falls yet because they where still making money for Dana he did not point his hate band wagon and turn the fans against them.

This situation to me just shows what a bunch of mindless ass holes most MMA fans are, and how easily they are lead by marketing and hype, and this goes for large numbers who will maybe read this and post on this forum as well, because its a very sad but true fact that a lot of the MMA community has turned it back on Fedor and what he accomplished in the sport.

I think part of the problem with MMA is the UFC following are much more WWE like structure in its promotion, hence they have won a lot of old WWE fans and what would have been WWE fans if not for the other option of the UFC, and hype is everything in the WWE so they care about this more than MMA and in a sense the Hype and Storyline behind fight and beating big names that are hyped up and various other name building strategies, means more than shear talent, and this is what they pay to see so its what DW gives them.

UFC100 marked the end of the path in my eyes when the UFC chose to turn its path in much more of a WWE like direction based on hype and steer more away from a legit sport, would not have took such bad illness on the sport if they had only let someone else rise whos focus was on the sport which we had with Strikeforce, but now its plain obvious that Zuffa will do anything to stop another promotion from rising, which is why the main base of MMA needs to leave the states in order to develop as a internationally respected sport like boxing.

Very well said!




Coosh what the heck are you talking about, all hand picked opponents?

You clearly are biased in believing all this bullshit about all PRIDE fights being fixed.

Ignorance from ill educated MMA fans.

HexRei 08-19-2011 11:43 AM

Fedor's management didn't handpick all his opponents. You think during the GP's they got to choose who he fought next? Back in RINGS tournaments? It's also not unheard of at all for managers to have a big say in what fights an athlete takes. It's part of managing a fighter's career.

In response to your larger question, Fedor's mystique has disappeared to a large degree, but that happens to everyone who doesn't die young. I wouldn't say that his mystique can be reasonably compared to Kimbo's, either. Kimbo's wasn't earned, Fedor's was.

kantowrestler 08-19-2011 07:41 PM

Yeah, his opponents during Pride and Affliction were ranked highly in the world. So were all his opponents in Strikeforce. The only hand picked opponents I can think of would've been Hong Man Choi, Matt Lindland, and Zuliholululu.


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