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Old 08-31-2011, 09:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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So is that statement for or against wrestlers who can take down their fighters? But anyways I agree that Fitch does a little too much lay and pray. If you take a guy down, beat him up!
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:59 AM   #12 (permalink)
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It's perfectly fine if fighters use their wrestling skills to dictate where the fight takes place. If they want it to be on the ground and take their opponent down - good. If they want it standing up and defend their opponent's take down attempts - equally good. What's not perfectly fine is, when once they have the fight where they want it to stop fighting and just laying on the opponent.
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I'm not saying that lay and pray is justified either. If an fighter takes his opponent down he should work towards doing damage if not finishing the fight. Unfortunately there are fighters who don't do that.
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I AM saying LnP is justified. Wresting is a martial art just as much as BJJ or Muay Thai, should we take those out of MMA?

Its called MMA for a reason, learn to sweep from the botton or to stop a take down or stop fighting.
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Takedowns is a part of wrestling, lay and pray is not. In any style of wrestling taking a guy down and not doing anything is stalling. In freestyle and greco they stand you up after ten seconds.
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Takedowns is a part of wrestling, lay and pray is not. In any style of wrestling taking a guy down and not doing anything is stalling. In freestyle and greco they stand you up after ten seconds.
What's your point? that's pure wrestling, this is MMA. You need to adapt to your situation.
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I AM saying LnP is justified. Wresting is a martial art just as much as BJJ or Muay Thai, should we take those out of MMA?

Its called MMA for a reason, learn to sweep from the botton or to stop a take down or stop fighting.
And why should LnP win you a fight¿ In BJJ, also part of MMA, the guard is a neutral position. If nothing else happened in the "fight", then LnP should lead to a draw, not to a win.
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And why should LnP win you a fight¿ In BJJ, also part of MMA, the guard is a neutral position. If nothing else happened in the "fight", then LnP should lead to a draw, not to a win.
I agree, but what I am saying is LnP SHOULD be fine. People want to take it out of MMA, thats stupid. Draws would be cool with me.
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Yeah, they should at least revise the scoring so that the most someone who does that should get is a draw. Active wrestling is taking a guy down and either working for a submission or ground and pound. The original wrestlers would ground and pound.
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Yeah, they should at least revise the scoring so that the most someone who does that should get is a draw. Active wrestling is taking a guy down and either working for a submission or ground and pound. The original wrestlers would ground and pound.
+1

Wrestling is the only martial art where the opponent dosnt get finished, it should be used for takedowns, takedown defense and grappling en route to a stoppage. Not just to get top position and stall for a UD.

Rules are rules though and wrestling on its own wins a MMA fight so I cant really argue with Fitch/Sonnen/Askeren and the like.
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