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Old 09-04-2011, 06:01 PM   #41 (permalink)
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What Fitch does isn't wrestling. The thing that Fitch does is being lazy. He should learn to try and finish a fight on the ground.
I still don't understand how he is classified as Lay N Pray or being lazy. He's constantly working and pushing the pace. As a wrestler all my life I see the little mistakes in his wrestling but they're so minimal. You have to understand that overall he's not quite a world class wrestler but he still has incredible skill. The fact that he isn't world class makes his takedown ability even more impressive because he has to work harder and be more aggressive which he does every single match up.

When fans don't see Fitch put on an exciting fight (which I consider extremely exciting considering I can appreciate the technique that goes into his gameplan)their view on him becomes distorted and they overlook the incredible skill and worth ethic he possesses.

If what Fitch does is so easy, every fighter would go out there and execute the same strategy but theres very few like Jon Fitch out there who can completely dominate his opponent on the ground especially like round 3 against BJ Penn.
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Old 09-04-2011, 06:13 PM   #42 (permalink)
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BJ Penn was gassed and tired at that point. The first two rounds, Penn picked Fitch up, tossed him on the ground, got his back and went for a choke, and Penn could make 145, where as Fitch is a huge man at 170.

I don't think Fitch is being lazy, however, I think that he doesn't have the skill set to finish people. He's really the opposite of GSP, where as GSP does have the skill to finish people yet chooses not to, Fitch actaully tires but simply doesn't have the skill to do it. I respect Fitch for this, but he is still not an entertaining fighter.
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Old 09-05-2011, 02:57 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Yeah, BJ is usually out of shape at welterweight. I do agree that BJ could make featherweight and should maybe look into it. Though I think Fitch should start looking into things.
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Old 09-12-2011, 09:39 AM   #44 (permalink)
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And I keep saying, its not about wrestling its the fact that theres no killer instinct from most wrestlers. He's just another butt hurt wrestler. People wont complain if fights are finished but the fact that these wrestlers just simply refuse to finish a fight people are going to be annoyed.

Its not about fighting how the fans want, not at all if you can't finish a guy you cant it happens. Like GSP vs Fitch, GSP beat the shit out of Fitch but just couldn't finish him. No one complained but people complain about guys who just hold onto their opponent not looking to ko the guy or for a sub. People will always respect a guy who FIGHTS, not just holds on for dear life and hope to get a decision. I respect all disciplines of MMA but some guys just refuse to fight or finish a fight
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Old 09-12-2011, 10:41 AM   #45 (permalink)
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I don't have a problem with wrestler using wrestling but it is a fight and hugging isn't fighting. Try to hit or submit them after you get them down or in the clinch if you can't get them down and there isn't a problem.
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Old 09-12-2011, 07:02 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Yeah, the clinch isn't the best way of fighting. But even though Cormier said that he clearly doesn't need his wrestling. He knocked out Bigfoot so he has alot more then wrestling.
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:31 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Never had problem with wrestlers in general. What bothers me is the guys who got zero offense on the ground. Take Koscheck during TuF s1 and few fights after it for example. Sick takedowns he still has, but he actually got stood up by the ref several times because he didn't even try to deal damage on the ground.
What personally bothers me about Fitch is that he is going to decision against guys he 100% surely is able to finish. 30-27 decision wins against pretty much unranked guys just doesn't cut it for a guy who is/was supposed to be #2 WW in the world. Fitch himself has said that he needs to improve his submission game etc. to be able to finish the matches better, so I don't think anyone criticizing his previous matches is going too far.

But yeah, if you can't stop the takedowns of some of the most elite wrestlers in the business, then try to do something about it on the ground. Silva couldn't do anything about Sonnen's takedowns either, but instead of crying about how unfair it was he decided to sub him instead.

Basically... wrestling and jitsu (well all the other ground disciples aswell) are 2/3 of the elements of MMA. If you either a) can't stop atleast some of the takedowns or atleast get back up eventually or b) don't have good enough sub game to either sub/sweep the wrestlers from bottom or scare them into keeping the fight standing completely, you likely deserve to lose the match anyway.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:51 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Well when wrestlers usually first come into MMA they are fresh off wrestling. They are used to not being allowed to punch. That only makes an excuse for beginners and not veterans.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:28 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I agree. dont blame the wrestling

Its just this: there are exciting fighters and non-exciting fighters. look at brock lesnar, all he has is wrestling but his fights are always very entertaining.

Even in boxing, there is snooze fest fights and boxing fans do the same to complain about the defensive style/technical boxing.

its just the way its gonna be, you can either complain or appreciate everyones style of fighting and respect the technical skill they posses
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Old 09-14-2011, 05:49 AM   #50 (permalink)
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I agree. dont blame the wrestling

Its just this: there are exciting fighters and non-exciting fighters. look at brock lesnar, all he has is wrestling but his fights are always very entertaining.
But, like him or not, Lesnar doesn't use his wrestling to impose a cuddle-fest. Even though his technique isn't great, he DOES strike in the stand-up and GnP on the ground. Wrestling is great as long as it's used for/to defend take downs and on the ground for gaining/ advancing to a dominant position and used as a base to inflict damage. It's just not great when it's used to make a "fight" into a 15min romantic soft porn cuddle-fest.
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