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Rauno 08-30-2011 06:35 PM

Cormier telling the realest thing about MMA
 
It's kind of like pushing someone into the corner of the screen on Street Fighter II back in the day; if you don't like it then get out of the corner, bro. Many, many fans and fighters alike have made it known to the world that they don't appreciate the grinding style brought on by fighters with wrestling backgrounds, and Olympic wrestler Daniel Cormier had a little something to say to them on todays Heavyweight Grand Prix conference call.

Quote:

"It's not my job, it's not Jon Fitch's job, it's not Josh Barnett's job to actually team someone takedown defense," "It's their job to learn takedown defense. If they can't defend the takedown, then they deserve to lay on their back for 15 minutes."


"I think it's always good to put on exciting fights," Cormier said. "I like to fight. This is my job. If that means I have to stand with him and fight, then I have to fight. What if I can't take him down? But at the end of the day, it's about winning."

"Why should I or anyone else that knows how to wrestle give up their biggest advantage? If a jiu-jitsu guy can get you down, he's going to use his jiu-jitsu. If a striker can keep you standing, he's going to use his standup ability. It's your job, which MMA is, which fighting is, to learn all areas of the game."
Simple as that. Why blame a winner? Should a winner knowingly fight an easier fight just because the fans don't maybe like it?

Intermission 08-30-2011 06:44 PM

This is what I have been saying about Jon Fitch forever now.

Rauno 08-30-2011 06:48 PM

I've said the same thing in the past but i hope it opens some eyes seeing as it's coming from a pro fighter.

HaVoK 08-30-2011 07:50 PM

It's a very valid point and it's one that has been brought up many times in the past. In a street fight you do what you got to do to win. But, Sport is entertainment. Some people do not find the lay&pray style entertaining. As a fight fan, I do not mind watching a fight that consit of a lot of takedowns. What turns me away is the guy who takes an opponent down and does nothing but control him. Because they are so focused on not letting them up. Take a person down and do something with it, is what I prefer to see.

Fighters will find some success with the mindset...win at all cost. Take them down and keep them down. But they won't make a lot fans or a lot money. They will also be the first to get cut if they were to lose a couple.

I like the fighters who fight to win, rather than fighting not to lose. If a fighter goes out there and tries to finish and displays heart and will, I will always tune in to watch. I could care less if they ever win a title or what their record is. Most of the MMA fighters and Boxers I have preferred to watch over the years never won a title and had half a dozen or more losses.

Some people like it, some people do not. But in the in it's entertainment, and if people are not entertained they are not going to watch. It is, what it is.

Voiceless 08-30-2011 08:02 PM

I don't blame the fighters, I blame the judging criteria that encourages lay 'n pray fighting.

Rauno 08-30-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Voiceless (Post 1463588)
I don't blame the fighters, I blame the judging criteria that encourages lay 'n pray fighting.

That's a whole different thing yes. One thing is to take down wrestlers and do some damage in there, let's say GSP. But what happened in the Guida-Pettis fight was horrible.

Indestructibl3 08-31-2011 02:43 AM

Thank you Cormier. The fans who constantly whinge and moan about ground fighting, STFU. The fights who whinge and moan about it, learn to wrestle.

SideWays222 08-31-2011 05:33 AM

This is all common sense really. I dont think many people would argue this point.
But at the same time they have to realize that "FANS" the people that do NOT have to learn all areas of MMA are there to actually be entertained and not to win. So watching someone drag a person down and have Extra Soft Core Porn isnt very fun. I cant stand watching Soft Core Porn so Extra soft core porn is twice as bad. Even worse extra soft core porn is only guy on guy!!


When fighters complain about wrestling being boring they might as well just come out and tell the truth "I cant wrestle or stop people from taking me down which sucks really really bad when you are fighting someone who can do those things. But im going to try and pretend im saying this stuff cause i think the fans are not being entertained and that way i can score points with fans and hopefully lure my opponent into not using all his skills. AND if i do lose i can just play it off on wanting to be exciting and throw leather instead of just admitting that im not talented enough to learn high level wrestling"
That right there is what i hear when fighters complain about wrestlers.

But when fans complain about wrestlers they do have a point. MMA is supposed to be fighting and wrestling is far from being considered fighting. Wrestling should be a method to take someone down and to keep him down while punching him in the face. It shouldn't be used to take someone down and hold him down, that is not fighting. So people that like to say "Well you just cant appreciate MMA" are pretty much full of it. Wrestling can be exciting when there is a clean shot or slam or slick transitions. BJJ can be exciting when there is some slick grappling or some slick set ups or some risky sub attempts, basically just keeping active. vice versa, striking can be boring if the guys arnt committing to anything and are just trying to jab and run.

My point is you can be a boring wrestler but dont be surprised when you are winning but losing more fans then gaining them. Just come out and admit you dont really care about making it exciting for the people but instead you care about winning and only winning. I would actually probably really enjoy this answer instead of the typical playing dumb response we get "I have really no idea why fans dont like me, didnt they see how i transformed into a blanket and kept my opponent warm for 15-25minutes??"

(Jeeze i wrote more then i wanted to but you guys should read it anyway :thumb02:)

Hammerlock2.0 08-31-2011 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voiceless (Post 1463588)
I don't blame the fighters, I blame the judging criteria that encourages lay 'n pray fighting.

This. A hundred times.

Don't worry, I'm not going on a scoring system rant again. :)

LL 08-31-2011 12:21 PM

Agree 110 percent.

This isn't Boxing, K1, ADCC, NCAA, this is MMA and it's these guys' job to be a well rounded fighter. If you can't get the fight where you want it, too bad.


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