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post #11 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-16-2006, 07:42 AM
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post #12 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-16-2006, 11:55 AM
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You really can't just watch one fight and form an opinion. Watch some Wanderlai Silva, Fedor Emelianenko, Mircko "CroCop" Filipovic, Mark Hunt, Genki Sudo and other top Pride fighters fights, and then decide if you like it or not. There are some damm good matches out there.
I can agree with that, i mean overall. . . the are more well rounded PRIDE fighters then UFC fighters, but only because there are more fighters in PRIDE, i mean personally though, i love the UFC, but i like PRIDE as well, just because they pin all these good fighters against each other, and the outcome of it is pretty exciting, like to watch guys like Muaricio "Shogun" Rua, or Mirko "Cro Cop", as well as Fedor and Wanderlie Silva, is very exciting to see, especially to see them in such tournaments as Critical Countdown Absolute. . . .
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The simple fact is this.......
Pride has some AWESOME fighters that put on OUTSTANDING fights.
Pride has some boring fighters that put on some boring fights.

The UFC has some AWESOME fighters that put on OUTSTANDING fights.
The UFC has some boring fighters that put on some boring fights.

EVERY organization has its fair share of great fighters & fights as does every organization has its fair share of cans.

The basic point is it's all MMA and MMA is the greatest sport on the face of this planet!!!!

Whether it's Tito vs Liddell in the UFC or it's Fedor vs Nog in Pride.....I'm watching!!!!

PRIDE doesn't rule anymore than the UFC rules.
What rules is MMA!!!!!
that said it best.. man you could put the two best fighters in the world against each other and be bored to tears.. or the two worst fighters and be on the edge of your seat.. its really a crap shoot.. I say we all quit arguing about which is better and do something to promote MMA in general for areas where it is still considered too dangerous when it is alot safer then boxing or some other "Extreme" sports.

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The one thing I'd like to see in both Pride and UFC is a more active role by the refs, only to help inhance the quality of fights.

Ufc would be better served by adopting the "yellow/red cards", punish the fighters who are utilizing the "win by not losing" stratagy. Silvia was using this tactic to a tee in his fight with AA, and bored many fans to tears.

The ref in the Crocop/Yoshida fight should have stopped it after the second knee crushing kick, knowing Mirko usually won't go to the ground to finish it. The third kick might have ended Yoshidas career.

And the thing that bothers me the most is when the fight goes to the ground and nothing happens. The refs should stand it up sooner. For the most part it just tires out both fighters and slows the action down. When there is a fight between a dominate gound VS stand up fighters, it is inevitable that it goes down giving a BJJ artist the advantage, but if he isn't using it-stand 'em up. There is far more action u than down, not to say a good G&P isn't great to watch. Watching Fedor dismantle Nogs ground defence is a thing of beauty but the trend is leaning towards nothing happening as the stand up guys get better at defending.

Maybe adding a monatary bonus for the fight NOT to go to the judges would help....maybe?
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You really can't just watch one fight and form an opinion. Watch some Wanderlai Silva, Fedor Emelianenko, Mircko "CroCop" Filipovic, Mark Hunt, Genki Sudo and other top Pride fighters fights, and then decide if you like it or not. There are some damm good matches out there.
I watched Mark Hunt lose to a former UFC champion.I watched Kevin Randleman get dominated in the UFC.I watched Guy Mez almost beat little Nog.I agree Pride has more talent but i honestly do think they are some what overrated.
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post #16 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-18-2006, 05:24 PM
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I watched Mark Hunt lose to a former UFC champion.I watched Kevin Randleman get dominated in the UFC.I watched Guy Mez almost beat little Nog.I agree Pride has more talent but i honestly do think they are some what overrated.
Did you also see Mirko beat Josh twice? How about Gomi's stand up KO of former UFC champ Jens Pulver? Did you miss Amar Suleov beat former UFC champ Murilo Bustamante? What about Fedor, Nog and Mirko destroying Mark Coleman, again a former UFC champion?

Trying to use "doctored stats" won't change simple facts. The top 5 Heavyweights in the world belong to Pride! They are not overated, they are simply dominant! Looking at the rest of the divisions..
LHW-advantage Pride- Chuck VS Wand could settle this.
MW-advantage UFC
WW-Avantage UFC
LW-Advantage Pride

Pound for pound Pride has the greatest MMA fighter in history-- FEDOR!

Let's just say they both have their ups and downs, but I'd give a slight advantage to Pride in a top5 VS top5 against UFC! (Prides top5 HWs would go 5-5 against UFC I think).
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Did you also see Mirko beat Josh twice? How about Gomi's stand up KO of former UFC champ Jens Pulver? Did you miss Amar Suleov beat former UFC champ Murilo Bustamante? What about Fedor, Nog and Mirko destroying Mark Coleman, again a former UFC champion?

Trying to use "doctored stats" won't change simple facts. The top 5 Heavyweights in the world belong to Pride! They are not overated, they are simply dominant! Looking at the rest of the divisions..
LHW-advantage Pride- Chuck VS Wand could settle this.
MW-advantage UFC
WW-Avantage UFC
LW-Advantage Pride

Pound for pound Pride has the greatest MMA fighter in history-- FEDOR!

Let's just say they both have their ups and downs, but I'd give a slight advantage to Pride in a top5 VS top5 against UFC! (Prides top5 HWs would go 5-5 against UFC I think).
Nicely put Pitbull. I like both organizations but I'd give the edge to Pride.


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Thanks Kameleon, you can doctor up any stat to state your point, judging an organization on a few fights just doesn't make any sence. You could use this to argue that Rampage is better than Chuck because he beat him....I don't think the outcome would be the same this time.
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PRIDE is a bit boring and I hate how the first round is ten minutes and so long. UFC is more entertaining but has more unknown fighters and cans so it is more amusing. PRIDE has all the fighters in the world that are the best that you all know so thats why its popular. At first I didn't see what was so good but then I saw the grappling of the Nogueiras and Rua and the power of Fedor, etc then I saw what was so good about PRIDE .
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post #20 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-23-2006, 04:18 AM
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I like fighters from both organizations ie, Hughes, Liddell, Fedor, CroCop etc. I think that the notion that one organization is dramatically better than the other is ridiculous on its face when you consier the fact that many fighters from UFC have fought in Pride and visa versa. The physical aspect of being in a cage changes the action a bit (unless neither fighter wants to fight Sylvia/AA) and I think that the size difference of the Pride ring compliments certain fighting styles.
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