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post #21 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-23-2006, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PitbullX
The one thing I'd like to see in both Pride and UFC is a more active role by the refs, only to help inhance the quality of fights.

Ufc would be better served by adopting the "yellow/red cards", punish the fighters who are utilizing the "win by not losing" stratagy. Silvia was using this tactic to a tee in his fight with AA, and bored many fans to tears.

The ref in the Crocop/Yoshida fight should have stopped it after the second knee crushing kick, knowing Mirko usually won't go to the ground to finish it. The third kick might have ended Yoshidas career.

And the thing that bothers me the most is when the fight goes to the ground and nothing happens. The refs should stand it up sooner. For the most part it just tires out both fighters and slows the action down. When there is a fight between a dominate gound VS stand up fighters, it is inevitable that it goes down giving a BJJ artist the advantage, but if he isn't using it-stand 'em up. There is far more action u than down, not to say a good G&P isn't great to watch. Watching Fedor dismantle Nogs ground defence is a thing of beauty but the trend is leaning towards nothing happening as the stand up guys get better at defending.

Maybe adding a monatary bonus for the fight NOT to go to the judges would help....maybe?

very well said. ground game can be very boring when they don't do anything.
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post #22 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-23-2006, 11:17 PM
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i tend to respect pride more simply because the magnitude of the fight. fighting in front of tens of thousands of serious people must be nerve wrecking.
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post #23 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-25-2006, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by wolverinejoe80
i tend to respect pride more simply because the magnitude of the fight. fighting in front of tens of thousands of serious people must be nerve wrecking.
Joe, remember there are 10s of thousands of WELL EDUCATED fans. UFC fans start booing in 30 seconds if there is no blood, Japanese fans understand the concept of fighting and show patience during a skilled battle.

UFC fans were still booing the last fight, when Chuck VS Silva was announced. Most still booed not realizing the MMA fight of the decade was just announced!
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post #24 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-25-2006, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CopperShark
I'm more of a UFC fan myself, and without this starting a HUGE arguement, I want you Pride fans to tell me why Pride is better then the UFC. I watched an open weight tournament from a little while ago, and it was like watching paint dry. Nothing over exciting happened, expect for one little guy did a front rolling kick, which actually made him lose the match. But still, how can you even compare UFC and Pride?
It sounds like you were watching the 2000 Grand Prix which is early Pride before they got a lot of the top talent guys and changed the rules and the judging to encourage aggresiveness and began punishing fighters who utilize the lay and pray methodology.

There are actually Pride cards in which no match went to a judge's decision!

Pride is superior to the UFC because of the skill level of the fighters and because the rules encourage aggressiveness by rewarding fighters who are trying to finish the fight. And the finishes to the great fights of which there are many make UFC look totally bush league. If you've got 16 bucks to kill, I'd strongly recommend that you purchase the Pride Legacy VOL 3 box set from It's a box set of 5 events and where the rules start changing and the fights begin to get more and more exciting. Mark Kerr who I believe is responsible for the term lay and pray being coined gets knocked out after utilizing this strategy against Heath Herring and being stood up with him. It's glorious.
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