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Old 11-03-2011, 04:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Where exactly did I even imply anything like that? I just want to understand the business side of MMA out of professional curiosity.
Sponsorship money is the big factor for fighters

If you get a walk out with your T-shirt that's between 10-30K

And then your shorts each have different pay scale

Butt - 3-15 K
Right leg - 1-8 K
Left leg - 1-8 K

Hat's and Drink's also vary

3 years ago Joe Lauzon was making 8 grand to show 8 to win and 52 thousand from sponsorships, and this was for a TV Fight Night.

What we know of fighters are the downside of their contracts but the upside, Dana once said every person that main events a PPV brings home at-least a Million Dollars in sponserships, PPV percentages, locker room bonuses.
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Old 11-03-2011, 07:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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you guys tend to forget that, in order to get to the point where you get paid (not even much, just paid), fighters usually have to work for years, make huge sacrifices in their lives, take huge bets (it's anything but a sure business) take risks that most of us are not willing to take, put everything in jeopardy so *maybe, maybe not* they can get in the UFC which, as far as I understand, is

1. the only organisation where you can make a living out of fighting
2. the best fighting organisation in the world, probably by quite a bit

who would, right now, leave everything, start training for years without getting paid for fighting, just for a very small percent of chance to get paid from fighting one distant day in the future.

how many get hurt in training and just can't go on, after 1, 2, 3 years of sacrifice, you get hurt, maybe you'll walk funny for the rest of your life, without any qualification and poor professional experience.

so no, they don't get paid too much, because for years, they didn't get paid at all and they were never sure they'd ever get paid.
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Old 11-03-2011, 07:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think the real problem with the UFC is their insistence on exclusive contracts.

Some people say, yeah sure, mid-low tier UFC fighters don't much less than say, the lowest paid guy on a boxing card, but those guys aren't forced to fighting with that boxing promotion exclusively (it's illegal under boxing legislation).

With an exclusive contract you are stuck fighting as little or as often as the UFC wants. Which means you don't have much of a career in MMA if it doesn't fit the UFC's schedule, and you make $4k or $6k when they decide they need you.
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Old 11-04-2011, 06:07 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I think the real problem with the UFC is their insistence on exclusive contracts.

Some people say, yeah sure, mid-low tier UFC fighters don't much less than say, the lowest paid guy on a boxing card, but those guys aren't forced to fighting with that boxing promotion exclusively (it's illegal under boxing legislation).

With an exclusive contract you are stuck fighting as little or as often as the UFC wants. Which means you don't have much of a career in MMA if it doesn't fit the UFC's schedule, and you make $4k or $6k when they decide they need you.
And i'll say it again for the 2nd time in this thread, NOBODY IS FORCING THEM TO FIGHT FOR A LIVING!!!!!

Also, for those that do fight for a living, nobody is forcing them to sign with the UFC. why do fighters want to fight in the UFC? cos that is where they will get paid the most.

making out that an undercard fighter only makes 4-6k is rediculous, come on man, wake up, they probably make that for the cap they wear just walking to the octagon!!
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Old 11-04-2011, 06:15 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I remember last year when Matt Mitrione fought Beltran on the TV prelims for an event and fired his agent for only getting $10K sponsorship. So that says a lot about how much fighters usually get. If $10K for fighting on a prelim is enough to fire your agent then most fighters must be making some nice bank.
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I always ccringe at these threads. I can't stand the attitude that fighters/sportsmen have a devine right to be making millions upon millions every year.

The fact is these guys do something they love for a living and even the guys on the prelims are making more than the US average income for doing it.
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It is because people are use to seeing HUGE numbers from other athletes. I always wished that athletes made like max $200,000 a year but hey, what do I know.
First of all, athletes are employees and should be paid as every employee regarding much profit brings to the business or how important is for the business. From that angle, MMA fighters are not paid SHIT! why? Cause Zuffa is a monopoly actually. And that's unfair.

Also, edlavis nobody talks about millions in the MMA field! But even if we were talking about millions, there is nothing wrong about that! As i said they bring money.. so they are paid for this. Why is wrong for athletes to gain millions and it's not bad for Dana White and Zuffa?

What most people don't understand is the risk that these people take. Most of them train for this all their lives and have at best 10 years of career at high level. They have also injuries and doctors. Every moment a career can end cause of a bad moment in a sparring match. This risk must be paid!
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First of all, athletes are employees and should be paid as every employee regarding much profit brings to the business or how important is for the business. From that angle, MMA fighters are not paid SHIT! why? Cause Zuffa is a monopoly actually. And that's unfair.

Also, edlavis nobody talks about millions in the MMA field! But even if we were talking about millions, there is nothing wrong about that! As i said they bring money.. so they are paid for this. Why is wrong for athletes to gain millions and it's not bad for Dana White and Zuffa?

What most people don't understand is the risk that these people take. Most of them train for this all their lives and have at best 10 years of career at high level. They have also injuries and doctors. Every moment a career can end cause of a bad moment in a sparring match. This risk must be paid!
WOW!... I'm pretty sure even the dumbest of MMA fans understands this. Further more, fighters understand this when they 'Choose' to fight for a living. (note they key word there, choose).

Dont get me wrong, I agree fighters should be paid well but it's threads like these that really get on my nerves when in reality nobody has any idea of the true amount of money a fighter earns per fight.

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Old 11-04-2011, 08:33 PM   #18 (permalink)
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And i'll say it again for the 2nd time in this thread, NOBODY IS FORCING THEM TO FIGHT FOR A LIVING!!!!!
I'm just saying, some guys might have second thoughts if they sign a UFC contract and only get a call once a year and get $6k, whereas they could bounce between promotions, fight more, and get more money overall.

You are right, nobody forced them to sign with the UFC, but 1) not everybody reads the fine print on the bottom of a 20 page contract, and 2) this is illegal under boxing legislation and it will only be so long before the Feds put the cuffs on Zuffa.

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This is why we will continue to see top athletes overlook MMA when they are guaranteed big money in any of the other major sports. Until the salary is better for starting fighter, you won't see physically gifted people having MMA at the top of their list, unless its really their passion.

I don't like how they force fighters to fight only with the UFC and it should only really be on the contract for champions.

Being a late round draft pick in the NFL, you're still making anywhere between 300,000 - 500,000. Don't make the team and stuck on practice squad? still getting paid minimum $5,200 a week and could be more depending on position, and value to team. Thats a pretty good deal still because the only real difference is that you don't play in the games, you get to eat team meals, workout, see best doctors and whatnot.

My point is that even though you may not be the best in the sport, the practice squad deal is still better then starting out in the UFC and making 5,000 - 8,000 a fight.

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Okay, with the research I have done (and I have been doing it for years on this topic) here are some the avenues I have found for a fighter to get paid for fighting:

- Fight Purse
- Fight Purse Win Bonus
- FOTN/SOTN/KOOTN Bonuses
- Sponsorship
- PPV Cut (Not everybody enjoys this)
- Signing Bonuses (Not everybody enjoys this)
- Performance Bonuses (Locker room and contractual)

- There are rumors that Zuffa pays some guys in other ways but I have never seen verification of this.

Now here is something a lot of people don't know.

Most athletic commissions require a MMA promotion to buy a bond that covers the entire purse in advance of any event. This was put in place to guarantee that the participants are paid. This ties up a significant amount of capital for the promoters.

SO, a smart business move is to only pay a percentage of a fighters pay in the actual purse and pay the rest in a salary/bonus structure. Now this probably does not apply to many of the newer fighters but I am sure it does to those who have a name.

When you look at promotions like Affliction and look at what they were paying their fighters it seemed like they were paying their fighters much more than Zuffa. The thing many didnt consider is that Affliction did not have a track record of paying their fighters out side of the purse so many of the fighters requested that all their pay be in the purse so that it is protected by the bond the promoter had to buy.

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First of all, athletes are employees and should be paid as every employee regarding much profit brings to the business or how important is for the business. From that angle, MMA fighters are not paid SHIT! why? Cause Zuffa is a monopoly actually. And that's unfair.
Are you saying that all fighters should be paid the same? If that is what you are suggesting that is absolutely crazy! The top fighters SHOULD get paid better than new fighters! It gives a new fighter incentive to become a top fighter!

Zuffa is NOT a monopoly actually. There is currently an MMA promotion that will be airing on Spike as soon as the Zuffa deal is over that its ownership has over a billion cash in reserve! They are competition. While they are not good competition yet, they are competition!
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Also, edlavis nobody talks about millions in the MMA field! But even if we were talking about millions, there is nothing wrong about that! As i said they bring money.. so they are paid for this. Why is wrong for athletes to gain millions and it's not bad for Dana White and Zuffa?
Dana White and the Frattitas SHOULD be making good money. They built the UFC and pretty much took MMA from a barbaric sport to being on the cusp of main stream!

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What most people don't understand is the risk that these people take. Most of them train for this all their lives and have at best 10 years of career at high level. They have also injuries and doctors. Every moment a career can end cause of a bad moment in a sparring match. This risk must be paid!
As said above.... WHO DOESNT understand that MMA comes with risks?

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You are right, nobody forced them to sign with the UFC, but 1) not everybody reads the fine print on the bottom of a 20 page contract, and 2) this is illegal under boxing legislation and it will only be so long before the Feds put the cuffs on Zuffa.
First... Anybody who does not read a contract that they sign for employment deserves what ever hardships come their way!

That is illegal under boxing because boxing has a long history of screwing the fighters over! Zuffa does not have that history.

I do not foresee the UFC having any Anti-trust issues, in fact if anything I can see them getting an Anti-trust exemption, much like NFL, NBA, MLB and so on...
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