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ToonKing 03-23-2012 06:33 AM

Keep getting caught in guillotine's
 
Hey guys,

I'm a beginner in BJJ, as most of the people in my gym, however whenever we roll I keep getting caught with guillotine's.

It's really frustrating me, I don't even get to try and go for the, like 2 :), techniques that I know, because I keep ending up in a choke in the first 20 seconds.

I know I shouldn't stick my head out, but got any further advice ? Maybe some videos to watch ?

Thanks.

Sl1ver 03-23-2012 08:31 AM

Im a beginner myself, what I would recommend is to learn other escape techniques, this might enable you to not get caught up in the choke the whole time.

HitOrGetHit 03-23-2012 09:27 AM

I had the same problem when grappling. I would go for takedowns but always leave my neck out there. I just had to teach myself to stop being so careless and protect my neck/head when shooting in.

G_Land 03-23-2012 11:12 AM

Are you getting caught in the take down or just caught at random times?

ToonKing 03-23-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by G_Land (Post 1564484)
Are you getting caught in the take down or just caught at random times?

Pretty much both cases. On take downs I end up in a choke 8 times in 10, sometimes I escape sometimes I don't. Granted I don't know any real escapes yet.

Even when rolling the guillotine is the submission I get caught most with....just working, doing my thing then BAM...and i'm fuming :D. Second place is held by the triangle.

Although I can learn escapes, I need to not get myslef in bad positions. It seems what I need to do, as HitOrGetHit said, is just to constantly remind myself to keep my head in until it's burned in my skull.

G_Land 03-23-2012 11:40 AM

With the take downs a thing what I like to do is look at the ceiling. I bet that will reduce the times getting caught. When you are caught and your opposite arm is free bring it around the back of his neck.

Try to hold on and pass his guard. Most beginners will hold on to it even after it isn't doing anything in half guard. They will hold it and tire themselves out. Be patient!!!! Next time you get caught get a coach to come over and talk you through it.

ToonKing 03-23-2012 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G_Land (Post 1564490)
With the take downs a thing what I like to do is look at the ceiling. I bet that will reduce the times getting caught. When you are caught and your opposite arm is free bring it around the back of his neck.

Try to hold on and pass his guard. Most beginners will hold on to it even after it isn't doing anything in half guard. They will hold it and tire themselves out. Be patient!!!! Next time you get caught get a coach to come over and talk you through it.

Good tip with the ceiling, will try that out today, thanks !

G_Land 03-23-2012 12:14 PM

No prob!

Life B Ez 03-23-2012 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G_Land (Post 1564490)
With the take downs a thing what I like to do is look at the ceiling. I bet that will reduce the times getting caught. When you are caught and your opposite arm is free bring it around the back of his neck.

Try to hold on and pass his guard. Most beginners will hold on to it even after it isn't doing anything in half guard. They will hold it and tire themselves out. Be patient!!!! Next time you get caught get a coach to come over and talk you through it.

One thing here, make sure you pass his guard to the opposite side of your head. If you pass towards your head, if the guy has any bottom game at all he'll be glad you did, and lock you up worse. I personally leave my guard open if I get full guard in a guillotine , it's too easy for the guy on top to stack and take pressure off, I want guys to pass.

Also on the escape, depending on your gym's feeling towards it, when you get locked up in full guard. Don't grab the head. If a guy is just rolling at the gym, he might let go, if you ever compete it won't help. You need to cross face him into dust, then pass. It will weaken the grip also and make it much easier to pass.

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Originally Posted by ToonKing (Post 1564493)
Good tip with the ceiling, will try that out today, thanks !

And when he says look at the ceiling, he means look at the ceiling, I see a lot of guys shoot doubles with their head up, but you need to really look up, I can't stress it enough, no matter how high up your head is, it's probably still not high enough.

There was something else I wanted to add, but I've forgotten it, I'll add to this if it comes to me at some point.

IronMan 03-29-2012 12:19 PM

One of the things that you'll learn is that it is less about "sticking your neck out" in the sense that you need to have it retracted, and more about the way that you position your head against your opponent's body. If you are shooting in, make sure that your ear (and the rest of one side of your face) is against your opponent's rib cage at all times while attempting a double-leg. I've found that this increases the efficiency of my takedowns, it also keeps me from leaving my neck against the ribs, which is a large contributor to getting choked out.

You'll find that keeping your head postured up so that it is parallel to your opponent's body is important when you're dealing with potential guillotine situations also changes the angle enough that it makes attempting the guillotine far more difficult. It isn't impossible, but it does present a challenge.

Attempting to pass the guard is what you should be doing when you're caught, much of the time. (Sometimes you can fight your head out of the choke by pushing down on their torso to create separation and attempting to posture up in the guard.) But you shouldn't mistake that for guillotine "defense". It is just a last resort in those positions. Being aware of your head and neck position, and trying to fight the grips off when your opponent is attempting the choke, is going to help largely reduce the number of guillotines you get caught in.


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