I was just watching two fighters in a ground battle and wondered how practical the guard would be in a non referee situation. To me it looks wide open for head but strikes which could end the fight really quick. I would appreciate any feed back and opinions.
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I was just watching two fighters in a ground battle and wondered how practical the guard would be in a non referee situation. To me it looks wide open for head but strikes which could end the fight really quick. I would appreciate any feed back and opinions.
cheers
just watch ufc #1-5, they had no rules, back then, you could head butt, punch in the nuts, hair pull... after that you tell me how practical the guard is.
times have changed???? so has the guard, game to keep up with times,"rubber guard"
i also think that in a real world situtation there are lots of things you can do to minimize an opponents ability to to strike when in guard. clinching behind the head and pulling another person down is one way. you also have to think alot of people wont necessarily know what to do when they are in guard. sure they might have seen it before but that doesnt make them an expert. which i think would make it easier to perform submissions. granted in a real fight they wont submit so you will probally end up breaking something on them or making them pass out.
The guard is practical for a streetfight, but only if you know how to use it. If you don't then your just on your back.
If your opponent decides to headbutt you, he opens himself up to strikes to the ribs, as well as the chance to possibly pass under his arms, take his back and get the RNC. More importantly, though, it gives you the power to control his hips and if he reels back then you can just move his hips and keep him from getting any power or hitting you at all.
Then there's the triangle, the armbar and the omoplata. The work, too.
Possible tactics to look out for when utilizing the guard in a streetfight are:
Strikes to the groin. It's the closest thing to your opponent. Pull down on his head to minimize distance, and he can grab a hand full of your package. Owww!
Headbutts Even if you lock in a sub, or strike to his ribs. You'll be hurting when it's over.
Eye Gouges I don't care how tough, muscular, or in shape you are. There is no muscle or fat to protect the eyes. And if you can't see, you're screwed.
Throat Strikes See Eye Gouges and substitute Throat for Eyes and Breathe for See.
NEVER I dont care who tells you closed gaurd is okay for the street. ITS NOT.
1-Shots to the genitals.
2-If the guy is some what strong he will lift you up and slam you.
3-You expose you WHOLE body except youre back.
Closed gaurd is the dumbest thing you can do for the street. I suggest spider gaurd, street gaurd and maybe rubber gaurd. The best possible ground move is umoplata. He cant move but you can break his shoulder or choke him out.
Also, watch out for triangles, as mention by IronMan, But i disagree, i think triangles arent very good, if he is crazy he might bite youre genitals.
NEVER I dont care who tells you closed gaurd is okay for the street. ITS NOT.
1-Shots to the genitals.
2-If the guy is some what strong he will lift you up and slam you.
3-You expose you WHOLE body except youre back.
Closed gaurd is the dumbest thing you can do for the street. I suggest spider gaurd, street gaurd and maybe rubber gaurd. The best possible ground move is umoplata. He cant move but you can break his shoulder or choke him out.
Also, watch out for triangles, as mention by IronMan, But i disagree, i think triangles arent very good, if he is crazy he might bite youre genitals.
Interesting take, but these are all things that a competent and experienced fighter knows how to handle.
1- Strikes to the groin.
Control the hand, control the hands, control the hands. Any kind of grappling that you do, this is the first thing that you learn. Don't give him his punchy things and his elbow-y things, he won't hit you in the groin with them.
2- Lifting the body.
You are using your hips to keep him from getting that classic jerk-lift form. You just sweep his body so that he can't get his legs under his body. If he is already standing, then what you should be doing is looking for a leg and trying to bring him into closed guard. There's a reason they teach it that way.
You can also grab hold of a leg when he's trying to lift you and, if you have even a moderate level of strength, you can pull this leg out and, if you know some leglocks, throw and achilles lock on or swing your legs and roll into a kneebar.
3- Exposing the front of your body.
I mentioned the part where you are holding his hands, right?
As for biting the groin in the triangle I really hope that you were kidding. First, his chin should keep him from doing that, because, if the choke is tight, the groin should actually be against his throat.
The point is simple, when you are in a position where you know how to control your opponent it's a good position for you. You just have to know how to work it. The full, closed guard is a solid control position.
Interesting take, but these are all things that a competent and experienced fighter knows how to handle.
1- Strikes to the groin.
Control the hand, control the hands, control the hands. Any kind of grappling that you do, this is the first thing that you learn. Don't give him his punchy things and his elbow-y things, he won't hit you in the groin with them.
2- Lifting the body.
You are using your hips to keep him from getting that classic jerk-lift form. You just sweep his body so that he can't get his legs under his body. If he is already standing, then what you should be doing is looking for a leg and trying to bring him into closed guard. There's a reason they teach it that way.
You can also grab hold of a leg when he's trying to lift you and, if you have even a moderate level of strength, you can pull this leg out and, if you know some leglocks, throw and achilles lock on or swing your legs and roll into a kneebar.
3- Exposing the front of your body.
I mentioned the part where you are holding his hands, right?
As for biting the groin in the triangle I really hope that you were kidding. First, his chin should keep him from doing that, because, if the choke is tight, the groin should actually be against his throat.
The point is simple, when you are in a position where you know how to control your opponent it's a good position for you. You just have to know how to work it. The full, closed guard is a solid control position.
Agreed,if you control the hands it will decrease all of his strikes by 100%. But, thier are 2 things you must take into consideration,1) Like i mentioned, if he is powerful he will break youre grip, 2) If he is lucky, or if you make a mistake and he gets one shot in youre genitals or face, then thier will be a good chance youll be binded for a few seconds and he will take that advantage.
Agreed,if you control the hands it will decrease all of his strikes by 100%. But, thier are 2 things you must take into consideration,1) Like i mentioned, if he is powerful he will break youre grip, 2) If he is lucky, or if you make a mistake and he gets one shot in youre genitals or face, then thier will be a good chance youll be binded for a few seconds and he will take that advantage.
Watch any fighter with a solid grappling game and you'll see the perfect way to control the hands from guard. Keep them close to your chest, this increases your amount of control and decreases his, because you are using more of your torso and hips to control his hands, plus your arms, while all he can use to pull away is his arms and shoulders. If you let him get his back in with the jerk lift, then, yes, he will have that too, but that's why you use your legs and hips to control his connection between his lower body (balancing point) and upperbody (lifting portion) to keep him from getting a good position for that.
If he pulls away using the lower back, maintain control of one hand, swing your leg over and you have an armbar. It's a basic counter, and he will walk into it if he does a big pulling away motion or a big forward lung.
As for that whole being stunned from a shot: I think I've said this before, if you don't have a chin, don't get hit. That's why you control the hands (which control the elbows) in the first place.
I should say that there are ways to split the guard and break an opponent's grip, but if your opponent knows that, he's not going to make the mistake of getting submitted by a bad mistake on his part. You don't want to be on the ground with that guy in a street fight.
If anyone wants details on the guard splitting, I can throw that out there.
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