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Old 10-07-2012, 01:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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It's the kind of thing that you can't understand until you tried it. Believe me, it is way more technical than you could ever imagine. Ask any real BJJ practitioner and he will agree with that.
I have tried both for some time. They both require the same amount of technique to be efficient at. And ask a real bjj guy is pretty laughable when the person teaching my classes at Gracie is a world champion.

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Flipping your opponents without using strength, spider guard sweep or submissions... etc. All those techniques that will help weaker guys develop their game and take on bigger and stronger guys.
So this can't happen in nogi? I learn just as much technique in nogi as I did in gi.

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For instance, I fought again a small, 135 lbs, in both gi and no-gi about a week ago. While I could actually keep up a little with him in no-gi, he absolutely destroyed me in multiples ways when we grappled with gi. My strength advantage (I'm 6ft4 and 195 lbs) was useless when it came down to fighting with gi on.
The same thing can happen the other way. Some people are just better with a gi on and others without.

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Anderson Silva, GSP, Jose Aldo, BJ Penn, etc... Are all BJJ black belts ( and we all know that belt system doesn't apply unless you train with a gi).
There are plenty of bjj practioners that train primarily in a nogi setting. I have literally not one bad thing to say about gi or nogi, but to sit there and say one is way better than the other is pretty ignorant.
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:16 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I have tried both for some time. They both require the same amount of technique to be efficient at. And ask a real bjj guy is pretty laughable when the person teaching my classes at Gracie is a world champion.



So this can't happen in nogi? I learn just as much technique in nogi as I did in gi.



The same thing can happen the other way. Some people are just better with a gi on and others without.



There are plenty of bjj practioners that train primarily in a nogi setting. I have literally not one bad thing to say about gi or nogi, but to sit there and say one is way better than the other is pretty ignorant.
I am not here to start an argument on which one is better, I am just stating that gi is more technical. I don't get why your telling me that your coach is a world champ, what does it have to do with this? My BJJ coach is a 3 or 4 times world champion, gave GSP his black belt and is training with most of the gracie's in brazil. Does that make his point of view more valuable?...

Of course, some people train primarily in a no-gi setting, what are you trying to say? It's a matter of preference. I could tell you that even brawlers like Rampage, for example, has a BJJ blue belt.

All this to say:

No-gi: More strength based, more concrete for a MMA fight.
Gi: More technical, more complex, more useful for a street fight if your opponents have a jacket or anything.

Marcelo Garcia Quote: "I train every day in the gi, and once a week with no-gi. It is crucial to train with the gi to have the finest technique. An athlete who wants to be good in no-gi, must also train in the gi@*

More on the subject: http://www.tnbjj.com/linkedpages/Gi_vs_noGi.html
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:35 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I am not here to start an argument on which one is better, I am just stating that gi is more technical. I don't get why your telling me that your coach is a world champ, what does it have to do with this? My BJJ coach is a 3 or 4 times world champion, gave GSP his black belt and is training with most of the gracie's in brazil. Does that make his point of view more valuable?...
I wasn't saying that to make me sound more informed than you. I was bringing it up because you made it seem as if you were talking to someone who had no clue what they were talking about. I mean you said ask any real bjj guy. I was pointing out that I do not need to go around asking someone as I train with people who are elite in bjj. Not that I know everything because of that.

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Of course, some people train primarily in a no-gi setting, what are you trying to say? It's a matter of preference. I could tell you that even brawlers like Rampage, for example, has a BJJ blue belt.
That is exactly my point. It is personal preference. You are not going to become any better at bjj training gi as opposed to nogi. It is 100% about what you want to do or what your goals are.

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All this to say:

No-gi: More strength based, more concrete for a MMA fight.
Gi: More technical, more complex, more useful for a street fight if your opponents have a jacket or anything.
I still disagree that nogi is more strength based. Yes, in certain situations, you may be able to use strength to your advantage, just as you can in certain situations in gi. And the street fight logic is flawed as it is completely dependent on what your opponent is wearing. Yes an opponent with a jacket would be one thing. But the majority of people I run into are not wearing jackets or even long sleeves for that matter.

It is purely situational.

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Marcelo Garcia Quote: "I train every day in the gi, and once a week with no-gi. It is crucial to train with the gi to have the finest technique. An athlete who wants to be good in no-gi, must also train in the gi@*

More on the subject: http://www.tnbjj.com/linkedpages/Gi_vs_noGi.html
Like I said, I have nothing at all against training in the gi. I am just saying that nogi is just as effective and I think if someone has to pick only one or the other, they need to pick the one more tailored to their goals and they will be just as well off.

I am not here for an argument either. We have different views and that is fine. I really do think that if someone has the opportunity, that they should train in the gi and in nogi, but I do not think that one will be of more benefit than the other.
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