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samuri649 10-05-2012 11:58 AM

Gi? No-Gi? BJJ beginner. Thanks.
 
Hi guys i just started to train in a local MMA school and i have nearly no experience in martial art (well, i've trained for a few years in a WTF taekwondo mcdojo when i was a kid...). I have a problem in deciding whether to take up Gi or No-Gi BJJ as I am only available to one of them due to various reasons. These are my concerns:

1) I actually tend to work on my MMA game more and I'm not really that interested in BJJ, but i am conscious that it is an essential base for doing MMA.

2) I'm not tryna be badass but i expect to learn something that can protect me on the streets, which kind of BJJ do you guys think is more practical on the streets?

3)According to my simple research, it seems that there are quite a numbers of moves in Gi BJJ which are not usable in MMA, is that true? What about the No-Gi type then?

Lastly, I apologies if my English is not too good cuz it isnt my mouther tounge lol

Thanks a lot guys!

Cheers

HitOrGetHit 10-05-2012 12:50 PM

If you can only do one and you are more focused on MMA than BJJ, do the nogi as it will be more practical for MMA. Not that gi isn't effective, but you will learn a lot of techniques that require the gi that won't carry over into MMA.

Voiceless 10-05-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by samuri649 (Post 1633896)
H1) I actually tend to work on my MMA game more and I'm not really that interested in BJJ, but i am conscious that it is an essential base for doing MMA.

2) I'm not tryna be badass but i expect to learn something that can protect me on the streets, which kind of BJJ do you guys think is more practical on the streets?

3)According to my simple research, it seems that there are quite a numbers of moves in Gi BJJ which are not usable in MMA, is that true? What about the No-Gi type then?

1) For your MMA game, No-Gi grappling is more important to train as in MMA you're going to fight without a Gi.

3) Yes, there are several techniques in Gi-BJJ that you either can't do in No-Gi or won't work as good, simply because those techniques involve the usage of your or your opponent's Gi.

2) For the streets, training with Gi is better as usually people tend to wear clothes on the streets. So with Gi-training you will be better in using your opponent's clothes for your techniques AND you will be better prepared to deal with your opponent grabbing YOUR clothes while fighting. In overall for the streets I'd suggest rather classical Jiu Jitsu than Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as the latter focusses primarily on ground fighting and that's not where you want your fight to take place in the streets, because you never know whether your opponent has some friends around who would happily stomp on your head with their boots.

mrmatt 10-05-2012 04:09 PM

To put things in perspective,

If Brazilian Jiu jitsu was a game, no-gi would be checker, and gi would be chess.

Now, do you want to learn how to play checkers, or chess?

Personally, I started training BJJ in no-gi, and I did so for about 1 year and a half.

I started gi about 2 months ago and I would never see myself getting back to no-gi. Now, about your situation, I understand that no-gi is probably more concrete as you are into MMA, but keep in mind that all of the best no-gi champions are gi champs, and mostly train with a gi on.

Training with a gi will not slow down your MMA training, it'll just make your jiu jitsu game way more technique (and less based on strenght) than if you were to train in no-gi.

My 2 cent.

HitOrGetHit 10-05-2012 05:04 PM

How does gi training take more technique? That makes no sense. The only difference is being able to grab their gi and using it for different things which are essentially useless in an MMA setting. And I don't understand the whole nogi is more strength than technique. That is completely false.

Freelancer 10-06-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HitOrGetHit (Post 1633972)
How does gi training take more technique? That makes no sense. The only difference is being able to grab their gi and using it for different things which are essentially useless in an MMA setting. And I don't understand the whole nogi is more strength than technique. That is completely false.

But no-gi game does require more speed, or better said, it relies more on speed than the gi game.

I will also recommend no-gi, since for what the OP wants, it's more practical.

HitOrGetHit 10-06-2012 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Freelancer (Post 1634201)
But no-gi game does require more speed, or better said, it relies more on speed than the gi game.

I will also recommend no-gi, since for what the OP wants, it's more practical.

I would agree with that but I don't think the strength over technique in nogi really flies. If anything I think strength or at least the strength of your grip will benefit someone more in gi than nogi as there is always something to hold onto.

MMAROLLER 10-06-2012 12:23 PM

Do both, having an understanding of BJJ wearing a Gi gives you a better understanding of it without, if your doing MMA classes then you will work without the Gi anyway, but doing at least one class per week in a Gi will help you understand jujitsu better and help improve your overall MMA skills

mrmatt 10-06-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HitOrGetHit (Post 1633972)
How does gi training take more technique? That makes no sense. The only difference is being able to grab their gi and using it for different things which are essentially useless in an MMA setting. And I don't understand the whole nogi is more strength than technique. That is completely false.

It's the kind of thing that you can't understand until you tried it. Believe me, it is way more technical than you could ever imagine. Ask any real BJJ practitioner and he will agree with that.

Flipping your opponents without using strength, spider guard sweep or submissions... etc. All those techniques that will help weaker guys develop their game and take on bigger and stronger guys.

For instance, I fought again a small, 135 lbs, in both gi and no-gi about a week ago. While I could actually keep up a little with him in no-gi, he absolutely destroyed me in multiples ways when we grappled with gi. My strength advantage (I'm 6ft4 and 195 lbs) was useless when it came down to fighting with gi on.

Anderson Silva, GSP, Jose Aldo, BJ Penn, etc... Are all BJJ black belts ( and we all know that belt system doesn't apply unless you train with a gi).

Freelancer 10-06-2012 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmatt (Post 1634290)
Anderson Silva, GSP, Jose Aldo, BJ Penn, etc... Are all BJJ black belts ( and we all know that belt system doesn't apply unless you train with a gi).

Tell that to Josh Barnett.


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