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Old 01-14-2013, 10:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yeah it was just a regular double, Anderson was overcommiting on his strikes and Chael went deep. There was no stopping that TD once Chael shot and IMO Anderson was never trying to, based on his decision to come out swinging.
I don't remember the Couture/Toney one, I'll have to re watch, but shouldn't a regular double be on a straight line with the opponent thrown backwards onto his butt? I remember Chael shooting the double and then spinning Anderson around, basically running around him while getting a hold of him, making him losing his balance from the spin. I thought that was a little more complex than a straight double and I found very nice to watch.
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:17 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't remember the Couture/Toney one, I'll have to re watch, but shouldn't a regular double be on a straight line with the opponent thrown backwards onto his butt? I remember Chael shooting the double and then spinning Anderson around, basically running around him while getting a hold of him, making him losing his balance from the spin. I thought that was a little more complex than a straight double and I found very nice to watch.
Actually a correct double drives sideways after contact so that the guy cannot sprawl. Sonnen hits a lot of power doubles which are just driving through a guy but if your sprawl super well it can be stopped.

Also the couture Toney fight was a low ankle pick in no way did randy shoot in and get a outside single. He was basically laying on the floor when he took James down.

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Old 01-15-2013, 09:52 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Actually a correct double drives sideways after contact so that the guy cannot sprawl. Sonnen hits a lot of power doubles which are just driving through a guy but if your sprawl super well it can be stopped.

Also the couture Toney fight was a low ankle pick in no way did randy shoot in and get a outside single. He was basically laying on the floor when he took James down.

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The single that Randy shot in on Toney was very, very similar to the single I was taught for years when I was younger. Sometimes you go for the knee, sometimes you go for the ankle. We would exaggerate it much like Randy did when we shot in. Always had alteast 1 hand on the ground and 1 knee on the ground. This gif right here, is very similar to what I was reffering to. Accept Randy didn't circle as much as I thought.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
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The single that Randy shot in on Toney was very, very similar to the single I was taught for years when I was younger. Sometimes you go for the knee, sometimes you go for the ankle. We would exaggerate it much like Randy did when we shot in. Always had alteast 1 hand on the ground and 1 knee on the ground. This gif right here, is very similar to what I was reffering to. Accept Randy didn't circle as much as I thought.
His head is inside...I'm not doubting what you've been taught. But I would call that an ankle pick, it's hardly traditional, but all James just fell over so it's hard to know what Randy was trying to do.

I've always been taught that as a way to take a guy down from a clinch, it's an old Gene Lebell thing. He would head snap and as the guy stood up he would drop and catch the ankle.
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Is this the same technique Sonnen used to take Anderson down on the first round of their second fight? I thought that was brilliant technique, the way he circle making Anderson to lose his balance?
I think Andersons arm was trapped....me might of got taken down anyway, but that made it a lot harder to resist...
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Anderson wanted to get taken down at the start of the 2nd fight. He came out swinging, that's never his gameplan and as a result he left himself very open to the shot that he knew was coming. I think he was trying to chance a 3second KO.
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His head is inside...I'm not doubting what you've been taught. But I would call that an ankle pick, it's hardly traditional, but all James just fell over so it's hard to know what Randy was trying to do.

I've always been taught that as a way to take a guy down from a clinch, it's an old Gene Lebell thing. He would head snap and as the guy stood up he would drop and catch the ankle.
I'm English and have never trained speicifically in wrestling but I've never thought Randys takedown of James Toney was anything other than an ankle pick.
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His head is inside...I'm not doubting what you've been taught. But I would call that an ankle pick, it's hardly traditional, but all James just fell over so it's hard to know what Randy was trying to do.

I've always been taught that as a way to take a guy down from a clinch, it's an old Gene Lebell thing. He would head snap and as the guy stood up he would drop and catch the ankle.
See the only kind of ankle picks I was ever taught came from the clinch or tie up. The single legs I was taught were all shots and not from the clinch. Now Randy does go very low with his shot because he wanted to exaggerate keeping his head down. But he did shoot in for the leg.
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