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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 04-25-2007, 08:09 AM
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what a friendly bunch around here, christ. Any Idea is a good idea until proven wrong.
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post #12 of 22 (permalink) Old 04-25-2007, 09:55 AM
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I think people are reacting this way because he's stating these facts like he came up with something brilliant, and then claims if you follow this formula you will defeat the grappler.

Saying things like Strikers need to try and get up completely ignores the fact that the grappler is keeping them down. I mean, seriously, how can you make this kind of comment and expect it to be taken seriously?

The reason people are on his case about not fighting is because if you put him on the ground, and you put Randy Couture on top of him, he will end up laying there exhausted after 2 minutes and will NEVER be able to get up.

He would likely get punched in the face from that position, then give up his back to avoid the punishment and get rear naked choked. I think that is the more realistic formula.
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i read the first post and that was it, so i dont know if what i'm about to say is already said. grappling isn't that linear, if you move side to side on me your bound to get swept, if not a sweep then an outside shot. A great defence to a shot is a sprawl, you don't want to fight a ground expert, learn how to sprawl, work for a guillotine from the sprawl if you can't get it stand back up. Throw thai kicks, i have seen many fighters neglect the infamous thai kicks in situations that had they thrown it they would have easily beat their opponent, against a grappler, kicks/knees can be your best friend
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I'll share this experience with you, I'm not much of a ground guy.

If you're a brutal, aggressive striker you have a certain mental effect on grapplers.

I am never intimidated by, oh he might kimura me. But if you have a lethal striker it can be unnerving.

This is why most of the title holders are fearsome strikers, excluding a few.

A world class bjj champion isn't as intimidating as an amateur muay thai fighter, for real.
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all i said guys is that i have observed striker vs grappler fights and when the strikers won they used many of the things ( if not all) that i mentioned. critisize me all you want, but i do have some good points on this. i do not claim to know everything, i just wanted to state some things that i have seen to work.
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all i said guys is that i have observed striker vs grappler fights and when the strikers won they used many of the things ( if not all) that i mentioned. critisize me all you want, but i do have some good points on this. i do not claim to know everything, i just wanted to state some things that i have seen to work.
The fights you are talking about, where the grappler is thoroughly dominated by a striker who can get up whenever he wants and throws knees and uppercuts at every takedown attempt, are one sided matchups.

I've also seen matches that have gone the other way where both fighters are good and competent because they used the strategy I've talked about.

Since you're knew and not a fighter, I give you the benefit of the doubt with your intellegence, but you created a thread basically stating the biggest givens among MMA strikers. While they might seem like huge epiphanies, pretty much every stiker in MMA knows these things, but occcasionally they try different approaches to dealing with grapplers.

I'm not saying that you're stupid or anything, but this is something that pretty much everybody has known since about the UFC 10s when the Gracies started to stop winning stateside. Grapplers have been finding ways to deal with it, and the simplest ways are the ones I stated on page 1. There are way more, but those are the pretty common ones.



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you created a thread basically stating the biggest givens among MMA strikers. While they might seem like huge epiphanies, pretty much every stiker in MMA knows these things
That pretty much sums it up right there.

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A world class bjj champion isn't as intimidating as an amateur muay thai fighter, for real.
Are you telling me that an amateur kickboxer is more intimitdating that Jeff Monson? Or Gabriel Gonzaga?

Honestly, dude, fighters are intimidating based on their own merits. Yes, I'd be intimidated by a great kickboxer, but I'm intimidated by great grapplers too.

I'm worried about a guy who can knee me in the face while I'm standing up straight, but I'm also worried about a guy who can throw me on my back and tear my f*cking arm off.

Great fighters are intimidating because they are great fighters. Grapplers may not have that aggressive look that alot of strikers have, but, at this point in the MMA game, most great fighters don't have that psyched look on their face anymore.

If your fighting on the pro level and you see a guy who's psyched at the idea of smashing your face in and looks like a f*cking bulldog, that can be a little bit intimidating, but I can exploit that so, as a fighter, I'm more afraid of the guy whose face is absolutely blank and its clear that he wants to hurt somebody and that's what he's focused on.



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Are you telling me that an amateur kickboxer is more intimitdating that Jeff Monson? Or Gabriel Gonzaga?

Honestly, dude, fighters are intimidating based on their own merits. Yes, I'd be intimidated by a great kickboxer, but I'm intimidated by great grapplers too.

I'm worried about a guy who can knee me in the face while I'm standing up straight, but I'm also worried about a guy who can throw me on my back and tear my f*cking arm off.

Great fighters are intimidating because they are great fighters. Grapplers may not have that aggressive look that alot of strikers have, but, at this point in the MMA game, most great fighters don't have that psyched look on their face anymore.

If your fighting on the pro level and you see a guy who's psyched at the idea of smashing your face in and looks like a f*cking bulldog, that can be a little bit intimidating, but I can exploit that so, as a fighter, I'm more afraid of the guy whose face is absolutely blank and its clear that he wants to hurt somebody and that's what he's focused on.
I agree and I would be wayy more intimdated by a world class BJJ fighter than an amateur MT fighter
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I'll share this experience with you, I'm not much of a ground guy.

I am never intimidated by, oh he might kimura me. But if you have a lethal striker it can be unnerving.

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so what your saying is that a person who can kncok you out is by far more intimadating then a person who can break all four of your limb's and put you in the hospital for 2 months.

I can see what you mean if your talkign about an mma match but in a situation where there are no tapouts i grappler is probly more dnagerous, he can pound you hea din if he wants or he can break your limb's once it gets to the ground and he's gets the position he wants


if your reffering a mma bout i agree but otherwise....
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