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Old 04-24-2007, 07:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ways to beat grapplers (guys who like to strike, read this!)

i have thought a lot about how good strikers can beat grapplers because sad to say if you are fighting a BJJ black belt, or a world class wrestler its going to be tough to beat them on the ground, and in most cases if it hits the ground you have to do something. so i came up with a formula on how strikers can beat grapplers. now given no plan is 100% effective but this is definately better then nothing at all. so here are some things strikers need to work on to beat grapplers

1. work on throwing those knees or uppercuts to the head when they are going for a leg take down. throw hooks and uppercuts when they are trying to clinch. in some cases you can throw a knee and sprawl at the same time.

2. shift your body weight so you have a lower stance and lower center of gravity, like chuck liddell. he has that stance because its easier to sprawl, harder for the grappler to take you down,and you can throw your punches right at the grappler without having to worry about them ducking under them.

3. make sure you work on your foot movement,always keep moving and circling around. grappling is a very linear art, they need to charge at you straight ahead to get you down. so if you are on the offensive move side to side and lightly forward ( not too much or you over commit and get taken down), but when you are setting things up you need to circle around the ring to make sure they dont take you down

4. work on getting back up, not enough MMA fighters work on this techneque. if you cannot submit the grappler that gets you down, all is going to happen is they are going to keep hitting you in the face and win the fight, you will continue to lose rounds if they take you down. so when you get taken down dont worry about being in the guard the whole time, get back up. look at Liddells fights when he gets up. you have to give up position and scramble up, and that means unlocking guard. if you plan on winning you have to work on getting up from off the ground.

thats what i have so far. tell me what you think. if you want to ask any questions let me know thanks
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Old 04-24-2007, 07:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i understand, i am just saying i have observed many fights and i have seen these to be pretty effective, am i a fighter? no have i had some brawls and stuff, yes. i am merely putting some info here. look at marc laimon, he isnt a fighter but he trains them and watches many fights. i have seen these things to be effective.but its cool
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Old 04-24-2007, 08:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i understand, i am just saying i have observed many fights and i have seen these to be pretty effective, am i a fighter? no have i had some brawls and stuff, yes. i am merely putting some info here. look at marc laimon, he isnt a fighter but he trains them and watches many fights. i have seen these things to be effective.but its cool

your comparing yourself to marc laimon... that is apples and oranges.

marc may not fight mma, but he is a grappling coach, and he does grapple... he is sick at grappling too. he beat ryron gracie at grapplers quest.
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YouTube - Marc Laimon

people do not talk shit about eddie bravo and fighting and he competed only as a grappler, and coaches.. don't get me wrong bravo is a bad mofo.


the only diffrence here is matt serra was defending the gracies, because laimon said what he feels is true about the gracies, and it was on national tv. laimon knows more than the adverage guy that thinks they may have the slightest clue on what is going on in a fight, because they may have started watching alot of fights.

i love the fact the mma has grown so much, but hate the fact everyone all of a sudden knows everything about it. and how everyone makes everything sound so easy. like, "i would just pass his guard and beat his face in.", or "i would just slam him", "i would knock him out", "all he has to do is stay way".... so easy for anyone that has never competed in any type of sport as such, where it is only you and him, and there is no team to take up your slack.
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Old 04-24-2007, 08:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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your comparing yourself to marc laimon... that is apples and oranges.

marc may not fight mma, but he is a grappling coach, and he does grapple... he is sick at grappling too. he beat ryron gracie at grapplers quest.
YouTube - m laimon
YouTube - Marc Laimon

people do not talk shit about eddie bravo and fighting and he competed only as a grappler, and coaches.. don't get me wrong bravo is a bad mofo.


the only diffrence here is matt serra was defending the gracies, because laimon said what he feels is true about the gracies, and it was on national tv. laimon knows more than the adverage guy that thinks they may have the slightest clue on what is going on in a fight, because they may have started watching alot of fights.

i love the fact the mma has grown so much, but hate the fact everyone all of a sudden knows everything about it. and how everyone makes everything sound so easy. like, "i would just pass his guard and beat his face in.", or "i would just slam him", "i would knock him out", "all he has to do is stay way".... so easy for anyone that has never competed in any type of sport as such, where it is only you and him, and there is no team to take up your slack.
oh my god are you kidding me, i do not claim to know everything. i am just stating some good ideas. dont get your panties in a twist, i am not comparing myself to laimon i am merely naming him as an example. i have seen plenty of videos on this stuff and i believe that they are good arguments,watch some fights and maybe you will understand what i am saying, if you dont then thats your problem. if you cant argue my points effectively then quit crybabying.
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Old 04-24-2007, 09:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I saw this thread and wondered if this was a question or what. I looked and it seemed basic, but against a good grappler it's not that easy to stay off the ground and out of trouble, because a good grappler knows how to handle these styles.

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1. work on throwing those knees or uppercuts to the head when they are going for a leg take down. throw hooks and uppercuts when they are trying to clinch. in some cases you can throw a knee and sprawl at the same time.
Only straight wrestlers with bad chins seem to be getting KO'd by anything less than a flying knee, but if an opponent ever throws knees during a shot, they are feeding you a handle. As long as you are a aware of what they are doing, you can take advantage of that and take their balance away by pulling on the knee to make it even easier to land that double leg.

When wrestlers get an opponent up against the cage, they handle it by pullig the legs away from the cage. If you get both (or even just one) legs then you can pull back so that you don't get hit with a knee and you'll pull your opponent's center of gravity out from underthem and end in exactly the same way as the double leg. Though the momentum moving backwards makes it a little bit harder to get that leapfrog guard pass or start throwing strikes right away.

In the full body clinch if you close the distance really tight it's very difficult for your opponent to do any sort of real damage, you just have to be sure to close that distance really quickly. Once you close the distance and put the clinch on, it's pretty difficult for them to do any serious damage.


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2. shift your body weight so you have a lower stance and lower center of gravity, like chuck liddell. he has that stance because its easier to sprawl, harder for the grappler to take you down,and you can throw your punches right at the grappler without having to worry about them ducking under them.
Go for the clinch instead. While the lower stance makes it easier to sprawl and keep the legs away from your opponent, it doesn't make it any more difficult to get the clinch.

The lower stance also tends to have the legs a little bit farther apart and the knees a little bit more bent, which makes them alot more vulnerable to leg kicks. Once you land a good number of solid legs kicks, they'll start to straighten the legs out.


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3. make sure you work on your foot movement,always keep moving and circling around. grappling is a very linear art, they need to charge at you straight ahead to get you down. so if you are on the offensive move side to side and lightly forward ( not too much or you over commit and get taken down), but when you are setting things up you need to circle around the ring to make sure they dont take you down
Grappling really isn't a linear art, and most good wrestler and judoka work with angles as much as strikers do. The linear parts of wrestling are the leg takedowns, but that's not everyone's forte.

When an opponent is circling around, they usually turn their shoulders so that the front shoulder faces you a little bit more. If they do this, they are basically setting themselves up for a leg-trip.

Again, lots of lateral movement is a great setup for the leg kick because they move their body into it and can't check the kick because they are in motion. Eventually, the leg kicks slow down or eliminate that lateral movement altogether.

When an opponent circles to much, the real key is to make them feel as though they are backing up. If they are moving around as they are striking it is hard for them to look like, or feel like, the aggressor. The real key with taking advantage of this is to make them feel like they are being attacked, make them worry about your game and they will look bad to the judges and they will feel uncomfortable, which leads to them making mistakes.


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4. work on getting back up, not enough MMA fighters work on this techneque. if you cannot submit the grappler that gets you down, all is going to happen is they are going to keep hitting you in the face and win the fight, you will continue to lose rounds if they take you down. so when you get taken down dont worry about being in the guard the whole time, get back up. look at Liddells fights when he gets up. you have to give up position and scramble up, and that means unlocking guard. if you plan on winning you have to work on getting up from off the ground.
This is a good point, but good strong grapplers know that the key is to be the aggressor on the ground. Once you are in a top position on the ground, especially against a striker, it is really difficult for your opponent to get up even when your weight isn't entirely on them.

In order to keep an opponent down all that you need to work on is position control, but it is also important to know what takedowns are set up easily when an opponent pulls away and tries to get up. Leg takedowns are best for this, because the grappler is low to the ground and the striker trying to standup is often too concerned with getting up to think about dropping their body by sprawling.

Also a full body lock and just dragging your opponent back down to the mat is easy in the early stages while they're standing up, because the weight of your body is heavy enough, the force is enough and they have enough trouble balancing that they cannot really take the time to get their balance back and they end up on their back again.

Good post, repped, and they are definitely good things for strikers to consider, but no approach is unstoppable.
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oh my god are you kidding me
no i am not kidding you....


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i am just stating some good ideas.
ideas are great, putting them into effect is another story.


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i am not comparing myself to laimon i am merely naming him as an example.
sorry about the miss understanding about laimon, i was looking at it as he does something, and you don't i could not see anything simular between you two guys.



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i have seen plenty of videos on this stuff
who has not seen videos?


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watch some fights and maybe you will understand what i am saying
i do watch fights and maybe you should step on the mat and you will see what i am saying


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i do not like to argue..... and so what i do cry...
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Old 04-24-2007, 11:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
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your formula has one huge flaw that i see. it address how to stop a shot but what about throws. if a decent greco or judo guy gets a hold of you your going going for a ride. clinch wont help you wiht that beacuse that where your gonna get thrown and it cuts your striking range down. Plus getting tossed can really take the wind out of you. Just a thought.
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his forumla isnt a forumla.

Its just a theory made by someone who doesent practice anything himself
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his forumla isnt a forumla.

Its just a theory made by someone who doesent practice anything himself

but he has the knowledge of those that put in the work....
i wish i could be that good.
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