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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 04-29-2007, 01:27 AM Thread Starter
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I have heard on UFC i believe from Joe Rogan ( take it for what you will) that wrestlers who wrestle at a young age develop generaly stronger joints tendons and over all strength compared to someone of a comparable size and build. Is this a common held fact or just a comentator filling in empty air space?

My real question is if anyone thinks this holds true beyond wrestling. I have been doing BJJ and after 4 classes they let me roll, well to my shock my first 5 minutes rolling i got the guy in a RNC ( the only reason i new a RNC was i had watch the trigg hughes fight a few times) the guy was same size as me 170-175 lbs and had been in the class a few months) he ended up calling me a lier and saying that i was covering up that i used to wrestle. Does anyone think that doing hard manual labor (mason tending/farm hand) at a young age (started at 12) could lead to wrestle like strength?
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He didn't mean you had the strenght of a wrestler, he probably meant that you knew how to get out of different positions and keep moving. Most people when they start BJJ forget to keep moving andjust lay there.

Yes strangth could help alot but in JJ thats not everything.

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I have heard on UFC i believe from Joe Rogan ( take it for what you will) that wrestlers who wrestle at a young age develop generaly stronger joints tendons and over all strength compared to someone of a comparable size and build. Is this a common held fact or just a comentator filling in empty air space?

My real question is if anyone thinks this holds true beyond wrestling. I have been doing BJJ and after 4 classes they let me roll, well to my shock my first 5 minutes rolling i got the guy in a RNC ( the only reason i new a RNC was i had watch the trigg hughes fight a few times) the guy was same size as me 170-175 lbs and had been in the class a few months) he ended up calling me a lier and saying that i was covering up that i used to wrestle. Does anyone think that doing hard manual labor (mason tending/farm hand) at a young age (started at 12) could lead to wrestle like strength?
i believe joints and tendons strength is something you can't work on, it sounds kinda like "i stretch like this to make my bones more flexable"... the only way to make tendons stronger is by repairing damaged ones through surgery, my teammate got his acl torn with a tai otoshi in a tournament. they repaced his acl with an achilles from a cadaver.

that guy that you rnc is a young minded bjj player that talies a win loss record in practice. and when his plans do not follow through he must come up with some sad ass reason he got tapped... when he should look at it as practice, he made a mistake and "what can i do to improve my game to not get caught in that again"... terrible teammate and mindset for the mat.

and about the maual labor aspect i do belive doing it gives muscle strength and endurance over the adverage. i do not touch weights, but my job requires me to be on very physical(construction, street removal & digging.). i hear all the time how strong i am, but i use leverage, and before class i burn myself out anerobicly to force myself to use technique over strength or my speed. forcing myself to this disadvantage gives me the advantage if an opponet and i was to both be fresh or we are both tired.

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sure...wrestlers build up that strength over the years compared to somebody not doing it as long. Matt hughes is a farmer....and wrestler and check out his strength! gymnasts are also excpetionally strong

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sure...wrestlers build up that strength over the years compared to somebody not doing it as long. Matt hughes is a farmer....and wrestler and check out his strength! gymnasts are also excpetionally strong
belive it or not yoga i would dare to say are some of the strongest pound per pound. with major muscle control, being able to focus on 1 single muscle to support all body wieght, my friend she put me to shame with her yoga challenge, she made me feel very weak. oh but a big plus about joining yoga, all the sexy ass ladies!!!!

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belive it or not yoga i would dare to say are some of the strongest pound per pound. with major muscle control, being able to focus on 1 single muscle to support all body wieght, my friend she put me to shame with her yoga challenge, she made me feel very weak. oh but a big plus about joining yoga, all the sexy ass ladies!!!!
nah...yoga is more about stretching and deep breathing....gymnasts are way f^cking stronger.
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and they try not to build up muscle!!! nuff said

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yeah i had a buddy in high school who was a gymnist. He was only about 5'5 and 145 pounds but very strong.
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nah...yoga is more about stretching and deep breathing....gymnasts are way f^cking stronger.
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and they try not to build up muscle!!! nuff said

not saying that gymnist are not strong, because i know it takes strength to preform as they do, but i did not give yoga it due credit until i tried it.... have you ever tried yoga?? may move as a gymnist would do, but they move slower and hold poses at the hardest time, using felxibility, metal strength, SINGLE muscle control, and the sretching and breathing you talked about.

i think you should try this, do 10 pushups fast and clap at the top. then try to do 10 push ups in ten minutes taking 1 minute on each push up, moving real slow... if you do you will see what i am talking about. both take strength but one takes more focus and muscle control to do

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yeah...that is good but almost all of those poses are done in gymnastics....
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and little kids can do those...years of training

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I wouldv'e loved to learn gymnastics. I was gonna take it when I was like 7 but there was no place around that wasn't only girls.

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