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Kin 05-24-2007 09:42 PM

Escaping Mount
 
I had an interesting sparring match today. It was against a wrestler, who knew almost no submissions. He was very good at controlling positions and maintaining in a dominant position. However, his tactics were almost on the "lay and pray" side of things. The trouble I'm having is that he'd basically get me into mount and hold downs my hands. He's bigger and stronger and when that happens... I really dont know what to do. I dont know why but I wasn't able to bridge... I couldn't tell what was stopping me. I'm kinda a newbie grappler, so I'm not extremely aware of things of that sort. So, yeah, if anyone has some insights it'd be appreciated.

kishiro 05-24-2007 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kin
I had an interesting sparring match today. It was against a wrestler, who knew almost no submissions. He was very good at controlling positions and maintaining in a dominant position. However, his tactics were almost on the "lay and pray" side of things. The trouble I'm having is that he'd basically get me into mount and hold downs my hands. He's bigger and stronger and when that happens... I really dont know what to do. I dont know why but I wasn't able to bridge... I couldn't tell what was stopping me. I'm kinda a newbie grappler, so I'm not extremely aware of things of that sort. So, yeah, if anyone has some insights it'd be appreciated.


in any possition it is best to escape before he can settle down. when you do almost any move explode.
when you are on your back and he begins to move into full mount, and you have not escaped i like to place one of my palms across his body to his same side hip(left hand left hip, or right hand right hip) with my other hand i will grip my own wrist, i focus on keeping my elbows close to my body. this move forces his hips on top of my hips so when i umpa his weight is where my body is the highest and strongest part of my bridge. with this space i pull one knee inside of his crotch or i push his hip and shrimp out..

the hand placement i explained in the start protects my arms with my elbows tight to my body. with his hips so low on my body the only attack he can do is a sleeve choke, to defend this i push my head to the floor not letting his hand slip under my head.

remember to react first, react fast

mind you if you lay there your opponet will close in on you as a python does to it's prey.

IronMan 05-25-2007 12:06 AM

Was working on this in class the other day.

The first way that I learned is the more traditional BJJ way. Hold his belt back while he's in the mount to keep him from riding up on your chest for armbar position/traingle position. Bridge straight up, roll over to the side, thrust your hips backward, pull a leg out so that you are either in half guard (closed) or spider guard with one foot on the inside of his thigh and one foot on the outside of his thigh/pushing against his abs/arm. You can then get the other leg out by rolling to the other side, thrusting your hips back the other direction and pushing off with the opposite leg so your other leg gets free. Then you can be in spider with double outside or pull him into full guard.

The second way is to let him ride up then bridge over the back and go under. This is always a risk.

The third way is to wait for him to try and choke you or hold you down so he can go for an armbar. Grab his arm be the forearm (or sleeve, if you're rolling with the gi), grab either his ear or his pants (this would be either his collar or belt in gi) and bridge to the side in order to roll him over.

Hope that was helpful.

Kin 05-25-2007 12:09 AM

Thank you for the advice! =D

Come to think of it, I wasn't very explosive in my attempts to escape. Instead, I made little attempts which were inadequate and it slowly wore away at me -- similar to the python analogy.

I had no success at shrimping today... couldn't maneuver myself into a good enough place, due to tied hands. But, I suppose as you mentioned also, best to not get into the position in the first place -- even if it means sacrificing a burst of energy to stay out of it.

Kin 05-25-2007 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by IronMan
Was working on this in class the other day.

The first way that I learned is the more traditional BJJ way. Hold his belt back while he's in the mount to keep him from riding up on your chest for armbar position/traingle position. Bridge straight up, roll over to the side, thrust your hips backward, pull a leg out so that you are either in half guard (closed) or spider guard with one foot on the inside of his thigh and one foot on the outside of his thigh/pushing against his abs/arm. You can then get the other leg out by rolling to the other side, thrusting your hips back the other direction and pushing off with the opposite leg so your other leg gets free. Then you can be in spider with double outside or pull him into full guard.

The second way is to let him ride up then bridge over the back and go under. This is always a risk.

The third way is to wait for him to try and choke you or hold you down so he can go for an armbar. Grab his arm be the forearm (or sleeve, if you're rolling with the gi), grab either his ear or his pants (this would be either his collar or belt in gi) and bridge to the side in order to roll him over.

Hope that was helpful.


I like the belt-grab and bridge, if there's gi...but to my dismay it was without. Though the advice pertaining to the potential guards I could transition into is something I'll keep in mind. I'd only thought of closed half guard, but next time I have the opportunity, I'll definitely try to experiment with the spider. Thanks for the advice! =]

BJJ Boy 05-25-2007 08:09 AM

Maybe the reason you couldnt buck is because he had you in lock down. (when he raps his legs around youres) But if he didnt, i would have bucked, then he'd had to let go of youre hands, then id grab his arm trap a leg then buck him off.

wukkadb 05-25-2007 03:08 PM

Personally I like working into half-guard then sweeping rather than trying to buck someone off of me, you use less energy and it's a lot easier I think.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronMan
Was working on this in class the other day.

The first way that I learned is the more traditional BJJ way. Hold his belt back while he's in the mount to keep him from riding up on your chest for armbar position/traingle position. Bridge straight up, roll over to the side, thrust your hips backward, pull a leg out so that you are either in half guard (closed) or spider guard with one foot on the inside of his thigh and one foot on the outside of his thigh/pushing against his abs/arm. You can then get the other leg out by rolling to the other side, thrusting your hips back the other direction and pushing off with the opposite leg so your other leg gets free. Then you can be in spider with double outside or pull him into full guard.

The second way is to let him ride up then bridge over the back and go under. This is always a risk.

The third way is to wait for him to try and choke you or hold you down so he can go for an armbar. Grab his arm be the forearm (or sleeve, if you're rolling with the gi), grab either his ear or his pants (this would be either his collar or belt in gi) and bridge to the side in order to roll him over.

Hope that was helpful.

Nice post

xbrokenshieldx 05-25-2007 10:09 PM

when he has u in a mount grab him and pull him close to u. then get one overhook so he cant use one arm for support. on the same side bring ur leg up and put it right next to the outside of his foot and then bridge.. thats the easiest IMO

Shadow30597 05-30-2007 01:19 PM

Grape-Vine/Saturday Night Ride
 
A wrestler knows the technique of wrapping your legs around the person trapped in mount's legs as a Saturday Night Ride, most grapplers or other sports identify it as a Grape-Vine. When this movement is locked on you and you're trapped underneath, it becomes difficult to bridge your hips to roll somebody, and by their holding down your hands it could become difficult to move at all. Here are some following suggestions I typically use when not battling in the cage (because you're just asking to get your ass kicked if you leave your face open in the cage while mounted):


Your arms: Your arms are trapped by the wrists, knuckles-down on the floor not far from your head. Arch your back and pivot in one direction, straightening your arm as high as possible above your head, still trapped on the floor, though. The direction you are pivoting is the focal point- if you pivot right, that's the direciton to escape...for the sake of this technique, we'll turn right. Pivot all the way onto your right shoulder, lifting your left shoulder into the air. This is doable only if you straightened your left arm all the way above your head. Curl your left arm as you pivot, allowing the bend of the arm to rest on the top of your head. Use your left arm to clutch your opponent's arm that is trapping your right. Bring your elbow over your head and into your chest, trapping the bend of your opponent's arm (the one that's holding your left arm if it is still), and curl your right arm into your chest as well. Your arms are essentially free- don't let them get caught again.


Legs- While locked in the grapevine, you're going to utilize a combination of my instructor's movement, the pooper-scooper, as well as my own. Straighten your left leg to the best of your ability while still caught in the grapevine. Use your right foot to step on your opponent's ankle (the one trapping your left leg). Lift your body with your right leg, applying as much pressure on your opponent's ankle as possible. While your body is suspended, hips out backwards (to the right) as much as possible. Free your left leg before your opponent catches on- doing this simultaneously with hipping backward makes it much easier (note hipping out is designed to create space in this technique, not to escape the mount). Drop your left leg as flat as possible on the floor, aiming your knee at the ankle area of your opponent's leg (to the left). Now we utilize the pooper-scooper. Bring your knee through the bottom of your opponent's leg. Step your right foot over your opponent's free ankle (this can all be done with the grapevine still holding your right leg, BTW) and sweep backward to trap it under your right leg. Pull with the right and knee out hard with the left, and you have made it to half-guard. Take care in escaping half-guard, which should not be hard using the snake-out method.





This ****'s kinda hard to type out without visual aids, but I hope this helped.

mike123 09-15-2007 04:38 PM

why dont you try being less of a n00b :dunno:


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