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Taking The Back

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#1 ·
Wierd topic, I know...but I have had the BITCH of a time taking people's backs, and most of the time I will give up my back in order to roll/gain a dominant position because I am good at turtling then manipulating to a MUCH better position and sometimes a submission. So the questions are:




1) What ways do you find most effective to take someone's back?



2) Once you have the back, do you set your hooks, body lock, set half-hooks, or have some other way of locking and holding it in?





EDIT: PS- I like the half-hooks. People rarely know how to defend it and most don't even know what it is!!!
 
#2 ·
Shadow30597 said:
Wierd topic, I know...but I have had the BITCH of a time taking people's backs, and most of the time I will give up my back in order to roll/gain a dominant position because I am good at turtling then manipulating to a MUCH better position and sometimes a submission. So the questions are:




1) What ways do you find most effective to take someone's back?



2) Once you have the back, do you set your hooks, body lock, set half-hooks, or have some other way of locking and holding it in?





EDIT: PS- I like the half-hooks. People rarely know how to defend it and most don't even know what it is!!!

Personally, the only time i take the back is when the guy is rolling and he gives it to me by mistake.

The first thing i ALWAYS do is i put in my hooks, if im fighting some one skinnier i will body lock.
 
#3 ·
To take the back, I start with an arm drag. You've got to pull hard just above the elbow (with your opposing hand) to get the guy off balance. Once he lurches forward I always go over the shoulder with my arm that did the drag and under the armpit with my other arm. You now have the back. I always put hooks in first then depending on the size or what my next move is, I'll bodylock.

If my opponent is good at defending the neck, I'll keep hooks - that way I can trap an arm with my leg or switch to an armbar or reverse triangle. If he's bad at defending I'll squeeze him with a bodylock and get the choke.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Well, reversals are pretty much impossible to get if you're the bottom man on the ground due to the fact that you can't really get mobile quickly without turning over and exposing your own back. You might be able to slip out of side control if the other guy puts his weight too high on your body and flip your hips over onto his back, but that's really more of a luck move than anything else. From the top, as far as I know, it's pretty much all luck. You just have to wait 'till he tries to escape and hope he turns the wrong way when he's trying to get out.

And I always put in the hooks first if I can. It's great for flattening them out, even if you can't get to their neck.

Edit - I was going to put in the arm drag, but getting them to the ground and keeping that position on the back at the same time seems like it would be more a waste of energy than an effective way of taking someone's back.
 
#6 ·
Aiht, I'll give some of those a shot...thanx guys...



Hey, whats ur opinion on the street luge choke?
 
#7 · (Edited)
To take the back, I start with an arm drag. You've got to pull hard just above the elbow (with your opposing hand) to get the guy off balance. Once he lurches forward I always go over the shoulder with my arm that did the drag and under the armpit with my other arm. You now have the back. I always put hooks in first then depending on the size or what my next move is, I'll bodylock.
A good wrestler and ok BJJ fighter could just get to position from there. People try that all the time I always get a Kimura or armbar on them sometimes a choke not often. Most wrestlers try that who aren't that great it is never used in the olympics either, because you get reversed all the time. Sadly the move they use is either grab the ass and push up or make a fist and put it in between the ass cheeks and push up instead of grabbing the elbow. Really gross I think, but still doesn't work that well.

I'll sprawl out quickly,get rid of there arms then find there backs with a spin.
I might try that or here is a few other choices go for side position then get the back, second go for side then mount (just mount sometimes) which usually they will turnover, and lastly just get their back from the front end and turn to face the direction their facing ( not really smart if they turn and get your back or leg lock sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't).
 
#8 ·
There are a few ways to take the back that I find really effective. Like BJJBoy said, the general favorite is when your opponent is rolling and he makes a mistake (like lifting up his arm instead of keeping an under/overhook to keep you down).

The other one is the sprawl, but it has to be a really good sprawl and you have to pull out the underhooks if you choose to use them (which you usually do if you want to get that kind of good sprawl).

My favorite, however, is when you have your opponent in your full guard. It's not that complicated, but I'll break it down because, honestly, it's really f*cking hard for me to understand those big clumped together posts on techniques:

Let's say that you are dragging his right arm, it works either way, but it's easier for me if I pick a side.

1) Open your guard.

2) Cup his right elbow with your right hand. Pull his arm across your body so that his shoulder is in your chest. If you are doing it with a gi, I'd definitely grab the sleeve by his tricept for a handhold.

*Note: If he pulls back with all of his strength, I let him have some give, put my left leg in his hip and pop the hips over for the cross body armbar.

3) Swing your hips up his back and roll onto your right side while shooting your hips out and swinging your torso up.

4) Throw your left hand over his left should and slip your hand under his right armpit or grab his right shoulder or collarbone (with a gi I would grab his lappel to set up the lappel choke). Don't take your right hand off of his right elbow until this grip is firm and you have put your hooks in.

*Note: If you get really good at this movement and your opponent lifts his head up and drives forward to try and escape, you can throw the left hand over his shoulder to set up the RNC, that's why I include that variation, even though it gives you less of a solid handhold.

5) Connect your hands in a Gabel grip with your left arm over the shoulder and your right hand under his right armpit. This gives you the opportunity to transition to a half nelson/armbar set up or to an RNC pretty easily.

Hope that is helpful. Remember, sink the hooks in deep before you go for the RNC, but don't lock your feet together because then you can't transition to armbar if he gives it up.

Hope that helps.
 
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