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Old 05-27-2008, 02:07 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Looks like a Soke to me. And his resume looks sparse in terms of grappling, but I'd have to see the guy to know for sure.
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:15 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Yes I do know the difference between a heel hook and a straight ankle lock unless we're thinking they're two totally different things. A heel hook being when you would go at the same form of a straigh ankle lock (arm wrapped around the leg) but instead of going under the leg you stick their heel in the pit of your elbow, place your forearm/hand on their shin, and have their toes trapped in your armpit, then pull up. Correct? Or am I missing something?


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Old 05-27-2008, 02:16 AM   #53 (permalink)
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wow iron man, i didnt think either of our jits skill and or knowledge was this much higher than everyone elses...

achilles lock can in no way pop a tendon because its just pressure on your muscle....squeeze your arm, then realize its the same thing.
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:16 AM   #54 (permalink)
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one time i was wrestling my friend and i got the slicked triangle choke on him, so he picked me puck and ramaged me but i still held on the nhe tried it again at waist level and it just got tighter and he had to tap it was so awsome
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wow iron man, i didnt think either of our jits skill and or knowledge was this much higher than everyone elses...

achilles lock can in no way pop a tendon because its just pressure on your muscle....squeeze your arm, then realize its the same thing.
With and achilles lock you dont just HAVE to squeez the tendon, that's what I've been trying to say. Slip your shoulder up a couple more inches and you bend the foot backwards, which will tear off the thendons on the top of the foot. Like I said, try and pull the top of your foot straight down while you rest it on your leg and you can feel the tension. With the pressure combined from wrapping you leg around theirs and pushing the knee down, your hips moving up and your back arching while your arms pull it can easily rip most of them right out.
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:27 AM   #56 (permalink)
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With and achilles lock you dont just HAVE to squeez the tendon, that's what I've been trying to say. Slip your shoulder up a couple more inches and you bend the foot backwards, which will tear off the thendons on the top of the foot. Like I said, try and pull the top of your foot straight down while you rest it on your leg and you can feel the tension. With the pressure combined from wrapping you leg around theirs and pushing the knee down, your hips moving up and your back arching while your arms pull it can easily rip most of them right out.
dude...you dont know juijitsu...thats not an achilles...

also that guy looks like an effing joke. id punch threw him lol.

he also has 0 grappling experiance so its not really a big deal to tap a skinny old dude.
oh and Jodoryu jujitsu isnt really what you think juijitsu is. the term juijitsu comes from the samurai, means something like martial art, to name the martial art you put the founders name in front..thus gracie juijitsu...get it?
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:49 AM   #57 (permalink)
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dude...you dont know juijitsu...thats not an achilles...

also that guy looks like an effing joke. id punch threw him lol.

he also has 0 grappling experiance so its not really a big deal to tap a skinny old dude.
oh and Jodoryu jujitsu isnt really what you think juijitsu is. the term juijitsu comes from the samurai, means something like martial art, to name the martial art you put the founders name in front..thus gracie juijitsu...get it?
Ok then what is it exactly? It went from an achilles to....?

Also, you punch through him. I don't know JJ like you dont know grammar.

And how exactly does he have no grappling experience? The dude has a black belt, competes in

competition AND teaches in his own dojo? That amounts to know experience? And I said nothing

about him being a black belt in gracie jiu-jistu. I know what jiu-jitsu means (way of the

soft hand) and I know that samurais invented the style for when they dropped their swords.

The main difference between Jiu-jitsu and Gracie jiu-jitsu? They don't incorperate strikes.

Thats about it. Keep telling me I dont know what jiu-jitsu is, seriously. And jiu-jitsu

isn't about how ******* big you are by the way, you remember Royce submitting people much

bigger than him right? I don't weight much more than him, he's at 155 and I'm around 165, so

it's not even that big of a gap. I train with people who weigh 205 and I don't have a

problem with that. The only big difference between his jits and yours is style, and it's the

same with all martial arts bud. jits is jits, and it's based on the same thing. It's not

like BJJ and traditional JJ are so much different that they don't even compare. Let the man

who actually KNOWS somethign about grapping (IronMan) talk.
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Old 05-27-2008, 06:32 AM   #59 (permalink)
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I don't have any 'awesome sub' stories, my subs are usually anti-climatic lol Most recently I got a cuff choke from mount and (as I LOVE to do) catch an arm for an armbar as the opponent bucks me off (twice in the same comp actually ).
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wow iron man, i didnt think either of our jits skill and or knowledge was this much higher than everyone elses...

achilles lock can in no way pop a tendon because its just pressure on your muscle....squeeze your arm, then realize its the same thing.
Thanks, wally. I really don't understand why this is hard for people to figure out.

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With and achilles lock you dont just HAVE to squeez the tendon, that's what I've been trying to say. Slip your shoulder up a couple more inches and you bend the foot backwards, which will tear off the thendons on the top of the foot. Like I said, try and pull the top of your foot straight down while you rest it on your leg and you can feel the tension. With the pressure combined from wrapping you leg around theirs and pushing the knee down, your hips moving up and your back arching while your arms pull it can easily rip most of them right out.
Do you not understand the difference between an achilles lock and a heel hook? Do you know what a heel hook is? I'm forced to ask, have you ever read anything on jiu-jitsu every?

This is actually one of the most basic submission differentiations around. Confusing an ankle lock with a heel hook is like confusing an armbar with an omoplata. Come on.

OK. Now lets walk through your last post, an annoyingly spaced combination of the ridiculous arguments you either have made or were inevitably going to make.


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Ok then what is it exactly? It went from an achilles to....?
A heel hook.

I've said that about three times now.


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Also, you punch through him. I don't know JJ like you dont know grammar.
It's an expression in combat sports and it's grammatically correct.

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And how exactly does he have no grappling experience? The dude has a black belt, competes in competition AND teaches in his own dojo? That amounts to know experience?
You're fired from the grammar police for that highlighted bit because, unlike wally's figure of speech, that's actually a real grammar error.

He has no grappling experience because he doesn't have any ranks in a grappling style. (Japanese jiu-jitsu is hardly a serious grappling style)

This guy started teaching after three years of training. He hardly sounds like a legitimate instructor since most instructors wait until they have about eight or ten years experience before they let anyone call them "sensei."

I've been training in martial arts for twice as long as this guy had been when he started teaching. I'm still definitely a student. (that's not to say I wouldn't choke his ass out in about ninety seconds, since I probably would)


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And I said nothing about him being a black belt in gracie jiu-jistu. I know what jiu-jitsu means (way of the soft hand) and I know that samurais invented the style for when they dropped their swords.
Oooh, you went on wikipedia and looked up the history. Jujitsu (that's the Japanese style) is not an unarmed fighting system. It has unarmed techniques, but it also consists of weapons systems and styles.

Jiu-jitsu (the Brazilian spelling) is an adaptation of judo (not Japanese jujitsu) developed by the Gracies when they studied judo under a Japanese diplomat.


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The main difference between Jiu-jitsu and Gracie jiu-jitsu? They don't incorperate strikes.
Um, actually, most traditional Gracie schools (especially the hardcore Brazilian ones) do teach their students to use strikes as a way of loosening up their opponents.

The main difference is actually that BJJ fighters generally train strictly for ground-based grappling, while JJJ fighters train predominantly for quick disarm and kill style fighting.


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Thats about it. Keep telling me I dont know what jiu-jitsu is, seriously.
Clearly you don't. You don't know the history (as I've just established), but that's really a trivial thing.

What's more important is that you don't know the fighting style.


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And jiu-jitsu isn't about how ******* big you are by the way, you remember Royce submitting people much bigger than him right?
That's the first clinically accurate thing you've said.

However, Royce's opponents in the early UFC's were all, like this guy, non-BJJ practitioners.


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I don't weight much more than him, he's at 155 and I'm around 165, so it's not even that big of a gap. I train with people who weigh 205 and I don't have a problem with that.
Yeah, so what?

I'm 145 pounds right now (bulking up a little, though), and spent most of my open mat last night rolling with a 230 pound opponent with better skills than I have.

You're right that size is something that can be neutralized with great jiu-jitsu, but it's a nice advantage to have.


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The only big difference between his jits and yours is style, and it's the same with all martial arts bud.
I think I've established that that's not true. This is a guy with a Japanese Jujitsu background. His game is not the same as wally's and it's definitely not the same as mine.

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jits is jits, and it's based on the same thing. It's not like BJJ and traditional JJ are so much different that they don't even compare.
Actually, they are. Like I pointed out already, they don't even share a lineage.

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And so I have. That doesn't mean other people shouldn't chime in as well, just because they disagree with you.
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