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post #11 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-22-2007, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bdomina
never trained MA in my life but I was curious as to weather or not you see BJJ as an effective realistic tactic in a street fight scenario vs other martial arts. I mean no disrespect to anyone just wondering what your thoughts are. I may start my daughter in some kind of program.
The generally excepted theory is that if it's a one on one fight, basic BJJ (armbars, triangles, etc) will work. They'll disable your opponent and you can move on. It also removes the risk of giving the guy a concussion and other injuries sustained in your average bar brawl. Personally, I've found that if I can use it, it's a lot less messy.

That said, if your fighting 3 or 4 or 5 guys (something that I have done, and don't recommend for amateurs), the first thing you should remember is that engaging one of them for long enough to get a sub is a bad idea.

Krav Maga is supposed to provide minimum engagement for maximum effectiveness. The point is to dispose of opponents very quickly. However, even Krav Maga isn't always as effective as good, straight from the streets thugjitsu (I'm not talking about the Yves Edwards kind).

If you have sufficient technical skills as a grappler, it's generally not that hard to adapt to a street fight. Here's a quick scenario that I dealt with a while back:

For some reason or another (details don't matter) I ended up dealing with four guys. You have to understand, I'm not very big, and though a have a very good chin for my size (5'8, 150), they were the kind of guys I didn't want to get in a slugging match with.

First guy does the traditional shove. Pre-emptively, I grab his wrist and twist it forward into a frontal wrist lock (in aikido = nikkyo) and kick him in the ribs.

Guy #2 gets strike to the sternum via my elbow and hip throw as he moves in to attack me.

Guy #3 swings (he was probably a little drunk), misses and I finish with a knee to the ribs and a shoulder lock (release the shoulder lock once he hits the ground).

Guy #4 gets thai clinched (I have a low center of gravity and alot of practice with this one) and I throw him off balance and slip in a couple of short, dirty-boxing punches.

None of this stuff is BJJ, but it's all adapted from different styles. You have to start somewhere when learning aptitude and a good BJJ instructor will teach you submissions (armbars and such) that are applicable standing up, as well as a good submission grappling coach will teach you canopeners and techniques that transition well to standing.

Hope that was helpful, or at least interesting.

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Originally Posted by Josh3239
That's how Werdum got into MMA. He was choked out with a triangle when he tried to pick a fight with his ex-girlfriends boyfriend.

To answer the OP, I'd rather have it than not. IMO it does have its place in self defense but as others have pointed out, it is very outdated as far as self defense goes. No one walks around with suits of armor and the only available target is a joint or throat.
He got into Jiu Jitsu because he picked a fight with his ex girlfriends boyfriend and got choked out by an Arm triangle.

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The only thing that has worked in a fight against more than two people in a street fight for me is going apeshit on their asses. I'm talking flying front kicks, rugby tackles and launching stools, create enough mayhem to get the **** out of there.That was when me and a friend ended up getting in a fight with an enormous group of people at a disco when I was about 16, they were all from a 'rival town'.
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