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bdomina 09-19-2007 04:53 AM

BJJ realistic and effective ?
 
never trained MA in my life but I was curious as to weather or not you see BJJ as an effective realistic tactic in a street fight scenario vs other martial arts. I mean no disrespect to anyone just wondering what your thoughts are. I may start my daughter in some kind of program.

GMW 09-19-2007 07:07 AM

I've never really considered BJJ a really good street defense, I think there are much better choices for defense but as a girl if shes attacked she would most likely get taken down easily so it might be a good choice. If you really want to teach your daughter defense teach her how to scream and make noise and call the police. But if you really want her to take martial arts get a combination of Jiu jitsu and muy thai.

As you can tell I'm actually not very sure of this but this is what I've heard and seen primarily.

Kin 09-19-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bdomina
never trained MA in my life but I was curious as to weather or not you see BJJ as an effective realistic tactic in a street fight scenario vs other martial arts. I mean no disrespect to anyone just wondering what your thoughts are. I may start my daughter in some kind of program.

It depends on the situation. In a real fight, to take it to the ground is hardly a smart move, and yet people often end up in grappling situations. As such, having some experience in that area is quite helpful. And I have to say, even though no art that I know if can prepare someone for this, groundfighting and multiple opponents do not go well together. Though striking against multiple opponents is hardly a sure-fire strategy (nothing is), it has an edge up.

However, I am speaking from the context of a street fight, and not necessarily the situation that you are refering to. Unless you suspect that your daughter is going to roam the neighborhood, brawling with people, I'm guessing that you are looking for something more along the lines of self-defense. In which case, Brazilian JiuJitsu is not a bad investment.

If a female gets sexually assaulted, it is a given that she will be forced to the ground. From there, her only chance is grappling skills. Other types of assault, like robbery, are better avoided by giving up her money...

Overall, being streetsmart and staying out of situations is best. However, preparing for the worst case scenario is important also.

How old is your daughter, by the way?

Dempsey Roll 09-19-2007 03:18 PM

I definately think that something like krav maga would be much, much better for self-defense. You have to remember that juijutsu was originally about big, strong guys trying to kill other big, strong guys on a battlefield. Most women aren't going to be strong enough to really apply whatever juijutsu training they might have in a street fight scenario. Krav maga involves much more modern techniques. Disarming someone with a knife or gun (mugger), defending yourself against multiple attackers (a group of thugs), places to strike when a bigger stronger person is assaulting you (groin, throat), ect...

Kin 09-19-2007 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dempsey Roll
I definately think that something like krav maga would be much, much better for self-defense. You have to remember that juijutsu was originally about big, strong guys trying to kill other big, strong guys on a battlefield. Most women aren't going to be strong enough to really apply whatever juijutsu training they might have in a street fight scenario. Krav maga involves much more modern techniques. Disarming someone with a knife or gun (mugger), defending yourself against multiple attackers (a group of thugs), places to strike when a bigger stronger person is assaulting you (groin, throat), ect...

You're confusing Japanese Jujutsu for Brazilian JiuJitsu. While I can't argue with you saying that Japanese Jujutsu was strength reliant (since I've never taken it, nor do I know anyone who does), the same cannot be said about BJJ. BJJ relies on leverage much more than strength. I mean, look at the early UFC days. Royce Gracie, who was hardly the biggest or strongest combatant on that show subbed everyone in his path.

Krav Maga, while effective, is a much riskier move. Why? Because Krav Maga in the states is often EXTREMELY watered down. There are some good schools and some craptacular ones. Now, keeping in mind that bdomina admittedly has no martial arts experience, there's no way for him to determine the quality of any Krav Maga school he comes across. While there, unfortunately, are some crappy BJJ schools they're not nearly as common. Plus, Krav Maga doesn't teach groundwork, which is very valuable for females in self-defense scenarios. Gotta train for the worst-case scenario...

whiplash 09-21-2007 04:24 PM

i love bjj as a sport

i would say that a good 80 percent of the techniques involved would help me in a street fight.. not all of it though...

but then ive also had a year or boxing and some muay thai...

TheNegation 09-21-2007 04:32 PM

BJJ or JJ is AMAZING against people with no training. They have no idea how to defend subs. Krav Maga is a load of shite in my book, striking arts only work for people who can strike well in the first place(Physically strong and fast people), give a 15 year old girl all the thai boxing training in the world, she probably won't be able to knock someone out with it.

The only time Grappling doesn't work in a street fight is when there are multiple opponenents, and 90% of time the only thing that works then is running like hell.

Kin 09-22-2007 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheNegation
BJJ or JJ is AMAZING against people with no training. They have no idea how to defend subs. Krav Maga is a load of shite in my book, striking arts only work for people who can strike well in the first place(Physically strong and fast people), give a 15 year old girl all the thai boxing training in the world, she probably won't be able to knock someone out with it.

The only time Grappling doesn't work in a street fight is when there are multiple opponenents, and 90% of time the only thing that works then is running like hell.

I couldn't strike for shit before I started training, but in every street fight I've been in striking has worked well enough for me.

And actually I've sparred with some 90 pound women who were experienced san shou kickboxers, and they can pack a punch. I've not been KO'd by them, but they hit harder than bigger males who dont know how to punch. So if the average guy can knock someone out -- and he can, if he hits the opponent a few times in the right spot -- a trained girl definitely could. It's like saying, can a small guy KO someone? yeah, of course. harder for him than for a behemoth, but its definitely been done.

But yeah, grappling vs untrained people is rediculous. Not only are they oblivious to subs, but they're incredibly succeptible to sweeps and they completely fail at working position.

SurfNinja 09-22-2007 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kin
But yeah, grappling vs untrained people is rediculous. Not only are they oblivious to subs, but they're incredibly succeptible to sweeps and they completely fail at working position.

Gotta love how new people fall right into the triangle every time. I think the triangle is the first submission everyone gets put in.

Josh3239 09-22-2007 01:58 AM

That's how Werdum got into MMA. He was choked out with a triangle when he tried to pick a fight with his ex-girlfriends boyfriend.

To answer the OP, I'd rather have it than not. IMO it does have its place in self defense but as others have pointed out, it is very outdated as far as self defense goes. No one walks around with suits of armor and the only available target is a joint or throat.


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